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magic452
07-18-2009, 01:31 AM
It' kinda slow here so I though I'd throw this out there.

On two occasions I've noticed TC affecting the way the game plays.

First I had found the "BIG Y" with just two escorts. Put 6 bow fish into the port side and slowed her to 6 knots. One escort stayed behind to pester me but I evaded it and got far enough away to surface and start another end around. I never lost contact with Yamato.
I did a save at this point. Yamato and the one escort making 6 Knots. I than went to 32X TC and as soon as I did, Yamato instantly went to it's previous 18 K and the two escorts went line ahead and stern. This isn't right so I reloaded the save and went no higher than 8X TC and the Yamato and the escorts stayed as they were, 6 Knots. 5 torpedos later the Big Y was at the bottom.
The point is at 32X TC the Yomato repaired damage and at 8X she didn't.

Second example.

I was lined up on a convoy and it zigged away from me at the last second. I was not detected they just changed coarse. This made me do a little fast maneuvering to get a shot. Hit two medium freighters. Since this was an interesting shoot I did a save to continue my career but loaded a prior save to re-shot this convoy, I had just loaded Webster's ship maneuvering mod, and wanted to see it's effect.

I played the save three times and was shooting from the same area each time and never was detected. On the fourth try I went to 8X TC as they approached and as soon as I did the lead DD picked me up and came a running.
I reloaded again and no TC and was not detected as before.

It seems that this sort of thing has happened to me before and I just want to see if anyone else has had the same experience???????

As it is now I never go above 4X TC with a target approaching and only at long range.

Magic

donut
07-18-2009, 03:03 AM
Thinking processer speed,& ram. If your frames per second drop, your machine/game engine, reverts to core elements in program. Example:@2048 TC. your/my radar will not report any enemy contacts. seems that over working my rig, above 1024 screws the game program.:shucks:
Solution ::o Only use high tc to get to enemy waters. Running hi tc in search grid, watch the stopwatch,when it glitches, drop out of tc quickly, check radar for blips.Workaround time.

magic452
07-18-2009, 03:27 AM
Frame rates at 60 FPS. I was only at 8X and 32X so I don't think that is it.
I use higher than that all the time with no problems.

The Yamato I had sound or radar contact at all times and the other I had visual and sound contact at all times. I let the save run at 1X for a time than I got in a hurry and bumped it up to 8X and as soon as I did the DD turned towards me and started pinging, she was about 1,800 yds at the time. I had her much closed than that at 1X and she didn't detect me.

Magic

donut
07-18-2009, 03:45 AM
you were under his sonar. Detected in replay ?

magic452
07-18-2009, 04:00 AM
The thing is she only detached me at 8X and five other times at 1X never knew I was there and she came to within 800 yards on those other occasions.
The only thing difference was the TC, I set up in almost the exact same position each time.

I was at PD running silent at 3.25 Knots all six times I ran the save.
I even had the periscope up some of the time but it was not up when she detached me at 8X.

PS By the way why are you up at this time of night, me, It is too nice a night to sleep through. Maybe to hot in NM.

Magic

vanjast
07-18-2009, 06:35 AM
Both SH3 and SH4 are NOT consistent with TC... :03:.

As mentioned.. only use high TC's when transiting to and fro from patrol areas. I rarely go above 256x when patrolling active areas and when in combat try not to go above 8x.

:D

Akula4745
07-18-2009, 08:05 AM
Too many bad things can happen when you use TC while engaging a target... this is just another example... but the inconsistencies are a bit strange.

donut
07-18-2009, 08:48 AM
Both,you Magic,& Vanjast are bright,intelligent,& observant. This is just a computer simulation game program,not war,not real, but emserive quite. Your question,his/my answers, are deep thinking,sometimes paranoid about enemy's ability,& why ? Thanks for asking,"PS By the way why are you up at this time of night, me, It is too nice a night to sleep through. Maybe to hot in NM." Just called it a nite @ 3 AM . Was detected @ 450Ft running silent, fired a fish at 6300Yds.he evaded, he saw it coming. Now he is keeping me down. The game engine AI. always knows your proximity. Sometimes it doesn't tell the enemy AI. like the Sonar-man was in the head leaving a dump perhaps, human ! Thxs., for caring.Loving the game since SH1, Donut:rock:

Sailor Steve
07-18-2009, 10:58 AM
Both SH3 and SH4 are NOT consistent with TC... :03:.

As mentioned.. only use high TC's when transiting to and fro from patrol areas. I rarely go above 256x when patrolling active areas and when in combat try not to go above 8x.

:D
:yep:

This problem goes all the way back to SH1, though I don't know why since they're not really related except by name. In that game you would spend a long time evading, be several miles away with the destroyers having their tails to you. Go to any TC to get it over with and they would instantly do an about-face and rush right back to your position. Once they were about 10 miles off you were safe, but any closer than that? Don't try it.

I don't know why it still does it in SH4, nor why it only does it sometimes. But there it is.:dead:

Munchausen
07-18-2009, 02:51 PM
:cool: The problem is with any game that uses complex mathematical computations to determine movement and outcome. Why? Because the computations are on-going and dependent on the amount of data available, per cycle. For example:

At normal speed, a ship's location and condition might be computed every few feet ... 'cause that's how far it travels in a single cycle of the computer.
At compressed speed, a ship might travel a mile or two between cycles. Ergo, the computation is less precise.

Using time compression is like taking a high resolution photo and reducing the dots per inch by half or a quarter or less. You get less definition ... less accuracy ... more ambiguity. In other words, more errors.

magic452
07-18-2009, 10:30 PM
Thanks all, Those things may very well be it. I was just wondering if anyone else had encountered similar events.

Maybe that escort crew was working 8 times faster and that is why they found me. :up:

The thing with the Yamato still bugs me but that was way back in stock.

Guess I'll just stay away form TC above 4X when reasonably close to targets.

Good luck and good hunting to all :yeah:

Magic