Huge save files

[pythos]

Ok just experienced a very great dissapointment. I just got my U-boat to the patrol zone, and went to save. The computer hung up during the saving process.

I have noticed that with Operation Monsun 2.0 that the save files get exponentially bigger the longer the patrol.

I am not trying to blame OM for the problems, but just noticed it happens with only this mod enabled.

These are the mods I am running on an XP machine

REL Sh4 Trigger maru overhauled
SB 13personview Cameras modv1.0
TMO Service Pack 1a
Tmo Sp 2
Environment 4.4
UBM mission pack
TMO enable Uboat V4
OP Monsun v200
Spaxs sh4 Uboat speech fix V7

any help for this problem would be greatly appreciated.

[sober]

Ducimus had this problem with TM a while ago and it was fixed . Its to do with sub files . I suspect it has to do with op monsun sub files but not sure . Disable op monsun and delete your save files and see if you still get it to confirm its op monsun . I get it with RFB 1.5 and RSRDC for rfb1.5 as well . I will disable rsrdc for rfb1.5 and see if its rsrdc for 1.5 . Well i dont know weather its RFB 1.5 or RSRDC for RFB 1.5 .

[sober]

I managed to fix the corrupted save TMP file by deleting any modified NSS_XXXX_shp .dds files in the mods i have. Not sure what they do but with stock ones i dont get the corrupted save TMP file .

[DeepIron]

Take a look at this post if you have time: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=866043#post866043
it may perhaps help you with your issue... :up:

[sober]

Yeah i looked at that post . It seems to be the file structure that causes corrupted tmp files etc . My tmp save file is now 452kb and my replay is 8mb . Before i took out the modded files my tmp save file was over 400 mb and the replay was huge also . I say its the files , you say its the system . I say tomartoes you say tomaytoes .

[DeepIron]

I say its the files , you say its the system. I think the two are interelated really... But your right... We're both talkin' about the same thing. :up:

[lurker_hlb3]

Ok guys, let's cut to the chase. So far your saying that my mods are generating "HUGE" save files ( no one has said how big ). Just come out an say what I'm doing wrong and I will attempt to "fix it"

[Ducimus]

What would probably be of help to lurker, is if someone who is having this problem cited exactly which boat their using. Might narrow down where to start looking for the problem. ;)

[Fincuan]

I have noticed that with Operation Monsun 2.0 that the save files get exponentially bigger the longer the patrol.


This is also a "feature" of SH4, though the size doesn't normally grow exponentially. At my end the file grows at the rate of about 300 kB per save.

[sober]

Well ok , i will cut to the facts . Installed RFB1.5 and RSRDC_RFB1.5 and i got huge over 400mb (corrupted)tmp save files . Then i deleted the NSS_XXXX_shp modded files from RFB1.5 . No more huge tmp save files . Maybe certain modded files conflict with the game save . So basically RFB1.5 and RSRDC_RFB1.5 is fine with the NSS_XXXX_shp modded files removed . RSRDC_ver355_for 1.5 works fine with stock SH4 .
When playing with RFB1.5 and RSRDC_RFB1.5 with the included NSS_XXXX_shp .DDS files i get huge tmp save files.
[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusLast]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_LastStatus
NameDisplayable=NULL
CurrentDate=1942-10-03 10:00:00
PlayerRankAchieved=LTCDR
PlayerCurrentLastPromotionDateTime=1942-10-01 10:00:00
CurrentFlotilla=BrisbaneCommand
CurrentFlotillaBase=Brisbane
CurrentSDepartureDescription=1.8462e+007,-3.25842e+006,2.54631
CurrentUPCFlotillaUserPlayerUnitType=F3Salmon

[lurker_hlb3]

Well ok , i will cut to the facts . Installed RFB1.5 and RSRDC_RFB1.5 and i got huge over 400mb (corrupted)tmp save files . Then i deleted the NSS_XXXX_shp modded files from RFB1.5 . No more huge tmp save files . Maybe certain modded files conflict with the game save . So basically RFB1.5 and RSRDC_RFB1.5 is fine with the NSS_XXXX_shp modded files removed . RSRDC_ver355_for 1.5 works fine with stock SH4 .
When playing with RFB1.5 and RSRDC_RFB1.5 with the included NSS_XXXX_shp .DDS files i get huge tmp save files.
[CareerTrack 1.CareerStatusLast]
ID=ID
Reason=CSS_LastStatus
NameDisplayable=NULL
CurrentDate=1942-10-03 10:00:00
PlayerRankAchieved=LTCDR
PlayerCurrentLastPromotionDateTime=1942-10-01 10:00:00
CurrentFlotilla=BrisbaneCommand
CurrentFlotillaBase=Brisbane
CurrentSDepartureDescription=1.8462e+007,-3.25842e+006,2.54631
CurrentUPCFlotillaUserPlayerUnitType=F3Salmon


The NSS_XXXX_shp .DDS are part of RFB, not RSRDC. With that point clear what is the problem with OM ?

[pythos]

Sorry lurker, I ommited which sub I was driving.

It is the type VIIC, July 1942, operation drumbeat.

The save files at the start are mearly 80 KB, but during the course of the game the save files went up to over 800MB (be wary, I may have KB and MB mixed up). This happened in relation to the distance and number of days the boat was at sea, not by the number of saves I did.

A work around I found is to delete the prior save file after verifying the new one works.

I am now doing a type IXb mission and will report the results.

I do not really want to go and delete any sub files, seeing as these are a feature of the game, and could result in the game crashing .

Once again, sorry for the oversight.

[DeepIron]

Ok guys, I may have found the problem. Let me get in front of the RFB Team for consideration and fixing...

[Wilcke]

I just checked my OM install last night and I just do not see this happening with SH4 1.5 plus OM V200 Patch 1.

This was in two careers, one a Drumbeat the other a Monsun. I am going to try again tonight. This will be with OM V200, Patch 2.

Do you guys overwrite your previous Save file or make a new one when saving?

Also, how often do you save your game while playing and this would be in game time regardless of TC? Example; do you go 2-3 game days without saving or save regularly every 12-24 hours?

I am trying to get a picture.

[Schultzy]

Just offering my experience, hoping the more data the better with regards to problem solving. :)

Also, how often do you save your game while playing and this would be in game time regardless of TC? Example; do you go 2-3 game days without saving or save regularly every 12-24 hours?

Using RFB and usually i save once a day and i always save over the same file, rather than create a new one.

At the moment, 4 (RL) days into the patrol my save file is 519mb

This is an rsrd campaign leaving Pearl Harbour at the start of the war (Gar class)

[Webster]

At the moment, 4 (RL) days into the patrol my save file is 519mb

This is an rsrd campaign leaving Pearl Harbour at the start of the war (Gar class)

:huh: four days and you have over 500mb????? wow!

so if i understand what you guys have been saying so far, the NSS files being changed are the key to the large save files? so what folder are these files contained in so i can remove them from any mods i might use.

[pythos]

Are not the NSS files the files for the submarines? So knowing that, would deleting these files make the subs dissapear from the game entirely, having you and your crew swimming:)

[DeepIron]

so if i understand what you guys have been saying so far, the NSS files being changed are the key to the large save files?Not entirely. The NSS files in RFB have the navigation compass graphic added to the submarine graphic. You can remove them, but make sure you have the originals in place afterward.

I've spent my morning testing various configurations with and without the "NSS" files and I would like the rest of the RFB Team to take a look at my results *before* we conclude that the NSS files are entirely the culprits.

BTW, you'll find them in the data/Submarines/<submarine name>/ directories. Only the US subs have this change.

[lurker_hlb3]

OM V200 patch3 will be out later today. Just to make people happy I'm going to reset "all" the NSS_****_shp.dss files to stock.

Also for the record RSRDC V355 ( stock ) has only "Stock" NSS_****_shp.dds files.

RSRDC versions for RFB / TMO use the mob provided NSS_****_shp.dds files

[pythos]

I am confused. What exactly do the NSS_****_shp.dss files do? What was the mod done to them?

Also, the problem seems to be from the Type VIIC. I am not having said problems running a Type IXB in operation drumbeat.

[lurker_hlb3]

I am confused. What exactly do the NSS_****_shp.dss files do? What was the mod done to them?

Also, the problem seems to be from the Type VIIC. I am not having said problems running a Type IXB in operation drumbeat.

When you’re on the “nav chart” a zoom in real close you will see the symbol change to a “compass row”. In stock that is not there, in stock you will see a small sub symbol. Some people I “trust” have done some testing for me have shown that the NSS_****_shp.dss file “can” cause some increase in the size of the replay.tmp, but it is not the cause of the reported “huge” save file. By the way you never reported “how big” this “huge” file was.

Also it would have been nice to have some more details on the mission you were running, which sub, which time frame, etc.

Just saying its “broke” doe not help a mod-maker trouble shoot the problem. The “more” info the better in running down a problem.

[Ducimus]

Trying to find a common theme to this problem would help in tracking down the source.

For users experiencing huge saves, it might be helpful if you posted:

- Mods used, listed in the exact order youve installed them

- Submarine being used.

- Date of the occurance

[Squid95]

I am currently experiencing larger than normal save files. I am running the following MODS in this order:

Environment 4.5
RFB 1.5
RSRDC current
OM

I started a campaign out Dutch Harbor with an S-18. Got as far as Kiska to intercept a resupply ship so I saved the file. It registed as 3 MB. Saved again a day later and the save file registered as 8 MB. Now whether I saved a new file or saved over an existing file did not seem to make any difference on the file size.

I steamed all the way to the Kuriles without saving. The save file registered as 370 MB. This was about 5 days after the save at Kiska.

I have not tried to uninstall any MODS or modify any files. I like it the way it is and I am not about to blame any one MOD or the other. Certainly is a strange issue. The files seem to load fine and I guess if I keep it to one or two save files I can live with it. Will become problem when the patrol lingers on though.

Hope this helps. I can give more specific data if some needs it.

[DeepIron]

I've been investigating this issue the last few days and I'd be curious to know what OS and how much RAM are you using?

[Squid95]

I am running WIN XP SP2 on the following system:

Core Duo 2.4 GHZ
EVGA 680i
2 GB Corsair XMS
EVGA Gefore 9800 GTX with current WHQLs

[DeepIron]

Check out this thread I started. It explains some of what your asking. :up:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=137057

[pythos]

The huge save files with OM 200 for me is centered around the Type VIIC missions in operation drumbeat.

I did an entire patrol in a type IXC and experienced no problems.

But when I did the first save for my Type VII commander, in the carribean I got a long pause while my drive did its writing, and following that a save file of 774 MB.

The date is Oct 22 1942.

I have OM v200, with patch 3.7.

I think there is a problem with the Type VIIC, perhaps one stupid little file is causing this issue.

Hope this helps

Also, I am seeing some concerns with the replay files. I am not using this feature of SH4 because frankly I find it very limited, so my save should not include the replay file. As stated this problem is not ocurring with the US campaign, and not with the Type IXC campaign. Just the type VIIC for some reason.

[Fincuan]

I have to agree with pythos here. I just tried the VIIC for the first time and got a hefty 592 mb savegame right on the first try :o This doesn't seem to happen with IXC and IXD2. I don't know about other boats. The biggest savegame I had ever seen before this was about 5 mb.

Time: March 22nd 1942
Place: 2000 kilometers east of New York.
Homebase: St.Nazaire(career startdate March 1st 1942)

Activated mods:
2_RFB_v1.5_051408
3_RSRDC_RFBv15_V395_RC5
4_OpsMonsun_V200
6_Enviromental 4.4a mod_modified
7_Metric_nomo_TMOKeys
9_UBOAT_RFB_German Audio Files
91_UBOAT_Spaxs SH4 Uboat SPEECH FIX_V7
5_OM_V200_Patch3
RFB_TorpedoPatch_051908

Notes:
#6 Environmental 4.4 modified by me so that it won't conflict with anything else
#7 is metric nomograph and TMO key config

Windows XP Home Edition
Core 2 Duo E6400
Two Radeon X1950 Pros in Crossfire mode
2gb ram

[Schultzy]

ok

It is the: 17/12/41
I'm: 220nm w of Midway
Steaming from Pearl Harbour to Bungo Straits.
USS Gar (Gar Class)

I've been playing for 5 (RL) days now, saving once a day and my save is now 553mb.

mods loaded

NSM 4 classic
W_Clear's Enviro mod 4.4a
RFB
RSRD
No sub marker on map


WinXP
Athlon 3400+
GeForce 6600
1.5gb Ram

[lurker_hlb3]

Ok

I've try to recreate the TypeVIIc "huge" save file problem with no luck. My test system is "Stock 1.5" plus OM V200 plus patch3. Test OS is XP SP2 7600GT 1MB of Ram. My install is installed on my "secondary" D drive.

The bottom line is just like I tell people over at work. "If I can't recreate the problem, then I can't fix it"

Lurker

[lurker_hlb3]

The huge save files with OM 200 for me is centered around the Type VIIC missions in operation drumbeat.

I did an entire patrol in a type IXC and experienced no problems.

But when I did the first save for my Type VII commander, in the carribean I got a long pause while my drive did its writing, and following that a save file of 774 MB.

The date is Oct 22 1942.

I have OM v200, with patch 3.7.

I think there is a problem with the Type VIIC, perhaps one stupid little file is causing this issue.

Hope this helps

Also, I am seeing some concerns with the replay files. I am not using this feature of SH4 because frankly I find it very limited, so my save should not include the replay file. As stated this problem is not ocurring with the US campaign, and not with the Type IXC campaign. Just the type VIIC for some reason.


What other mods are you using?

[Squid95]

Based on the post linked in this thread by DeepIron the problem may appear to be caused by RFB. If that is the case I will await the RFB teams efforts. Otherwise the Mods I am using are too damned good for me to worry about this issue. Yes the save files are large but they work, carry on smartly ( atleast for me ).

[pythos]

Though I posted this in the very first message in this thread, here is what mods I am running.

These are the mods I am running on an XP machine

REL Sh4 Trigger maru overhauled
SB 13personview Cameras modv1.0
TMO Service Pack 1a
Tmo Sp 2
Environment 4.4
UBM mission pack
TMO enable Uboat V4
OP Monsun v200
Spaxs sh4 Uboat speech fix V7
OM patch 3.7

It is with the late 42 Type VIIC the problem seems to be with. The longer game time the mission is, the larger the save file. If this were a problem with one of the type IX variants I wouldn't be so bugged, but this is THE type VIIC, the workhorse of the German sub fleet!!

[lurker_hlb3]

I will do some more testing tomorrow, but as anyone noticed that everyone is run " Environment 4.4".

[Fincuan]

I will do some more testing tomorrow, but as anyone noticed that everyone is run " Environment 4.4".

Good catch, although it also seems to be related to using the VIIC. I don't remember having any huge savefiles with Environmental 4.4 + any other sub(and definitely not with IXD2 and IXC), and I've been running the mod for a few weeks now. I'll also test this when I get out of work.

[lurker_hlb3]

I will do some more testing tomorrow, but as anyone noticed that everyone is run " Environment 4.4".
Good catch, although it also seems to be related to using the VIIC. I don't remember having any huge savefiles with Environmental 4.4 + any other sub(and definitely not with IXD2 and IXC), and I've been running the mod for a few weeks now. I'll also test this when I get out of work.


Possible "node ID" confict. To late tonight to test, have downloaded Environment 4.4 and will see what happens

[Wilcke]

Ok, I just drove a VIIC from La Pallice to the Azores and the save file is 351mb.

This is my OM install.

Enviromental 4.4a mod
SPAX_SH4 U-Boat_Speech_FIX_V2
DAS_BOOT_Music
Uncensored German Textures
Dowly'sSwastikaFlags
JonZ'sMedals
ROW PE2 clouds
Install Tree Mod V1.1
SKIN_KZS's IXD2 Camo paint
OpsMonsun_V200
OM_V200_Patch3

Now on my system it saves in 5 seconds.

AMD X2 4800
4 gigs of ram
BFG 7950 GT OC
WinXP Pro

[Wilcke]

....I unloaded all the junk and did the same run with the VIIC, La Pallice to the Azores and the new save files is 365mb.

Here is my list;

SPAX_SH4 U-Boat_Speech_FIX_V2
OpsMonsun_V200
OM_V200_Patch3

I just saw a career save file in my TMO install that was 650mb.:up:

[Fincuan]

....I unloaded all the junk and did the same run with the VIIC, La Pallice to the Azores and the new save files is 365mb.

Here is my list;

SPAX_SH4 U-Boat_Speech_FIX_V2
OpsMonsun_V200
OM_V200_Patch3

I just saw a career save file in my TMO install that was 650mb.:up:

:o Those are HUGE. Normally(with all previous versions of TMO, RSRDC, OMv100 and Environmental) my save files were around a few megabytes at the end of the patrol, maybe 5-10 at most. In base saves were about 300-350 kB, and the size would grow by about the same amount with each save.

[sober]

There tmp save file is corrupted .

[pythos]

Cool, it looks like were making some ground.

and I am not appearing as a crazy person.:)

Now, what do we do about the issue?

[Wilcke]

There tmp save file is corrupted .

Presently working on another angle of why these files are growing so big so quickly. Please post your idea as to what is corrupting the temp save file as there are folks looking at *.*sim files for the culprit. We do not want to waste time or energy.

Thanks Sober

[Fincuan]

Removing Environmental 4.4 had no effect whatsoever(except things now look uglier of course). Huge savegames right from the start(242 kB at port before patrol, 50.2 mb after 24 hours at sea, ~96 mb after 48). I only tested the VIIC, both using a career started with Environmental 4.4 and a completely new career.

[Wilcke]

Removing Environmental 4.4 had no effect whatsoever(except things now look uglier of course). Huge savegames right from the start(242 kB at port before patrol, 50.2 mb after 24 hours at sea, ~96 mb after 48). I only tested the VIIC, both using a career started with Environmental 4.4 and a completely new career.

....yep all I can say is that its being worked on by the good folks that bring the mods to you...

[lurker_hlb3]

Problem corrected go to OM thread for patch

[theold1]

I can report having this problem with the following mods:

BBC World radio 194? music for the sub's MP3 player
Environments 4.4 (have also tried POW Pacific envs 3_3)
RFB 1.5
RSRD_RFBv15_V395_RC5

My saves were 1.3 GB(!!) for a while. I just started a new campaign, and the first (immediate) save was a reasonable 1 MB. After traveling on 1024 time accel (and no *more* than that) for about 3000 miles, my next save was 570 MB.
Very strange. Saving these files is taking many minutes.

[Fincuan]

Good work with solving this :up:

Must have been hell of a detective job

[sober]

I can report having this problem with the following mods:

BBC World radio 194? music for the sub's MP3 player
Environments 4.4 (have also tried POW Pacific envs 3_3)
RFB 1.5
RSRD_RFBv15_V395_RC5

My saves were 1.3 GB(!!) for a while. I just started a new campaign, and the first (immediate) save was a reasonable 1 MB. After traveling on 1024 time accel (and no *more* than that) for about 3000 miles, my next save was 570 MB.
Very strange. Saving these files is taking many minutes. Disable RFB1.5 and go to your data/Submarine folders and delete the NSS_XXXX_shp dds files from all the subs then reenable with JSGME . It worked for me . You must also delete the corrupted tmp save file in the SH4 folder in my documents .