View Full Version : 1.5 without the U-Boat expansion?
While I'm 0f course buying the expansion, I would like to know if there will be a mini-patch for download that adds whatever upgrades/fixes are compatible with the US boats and brings the normal SH4 also to 1.5 :hmm:
Also, can someone confirm if the new abilities (Call aircraft, surface groups, etc.) are now available also for the US subs?
I don't have the game yet, BUT
One of the pre-release interviews clearly stated that the new "strategic" features were NOT implemented into the US campaign, but were open for modding if someone wished to plug them in.
elanaiba
02-28-08, 03:16 AM
I don't think there will be a straight patch with more stuff from the add-on. Basically 1.4 added as much as possible from the add-on, but the idea is that some improvements simply require too many changes (code) from the add-on, to be viable separately.
Not to point it at you specifically Hitman, but I just wonder why some people are so apprehensive about buying the add-on.
It's good stuff. More content for $10? I spend that much on lunch at work sometimes. :p
And no, I'm not paid by Ubi to say this sort of stuff. I'll be the first to get skeptical should problems arise, but so far I think this one needs and deserves our support.
Not to point it at you specifically Hitman, but I just wonder why some people are so apprehensive about buying the add-on.
It's good stuff. More content for $10? I spend that much on lunch at work sometimes. :p
And no, I'm not paid by Ubi to say this sort of stuff. I'll be the first to get skeptical should problems arise, but so far I think this one needs and deserves our support.
I agree completely... the amount of negativity is staggering. It's hardly a hole in the pocket, plus it supports the dev team (who we really should support, despite the unfinished games they've made and we've ended up loving anyway), and we get more official content and improvements, which is a rare thing.
i think, the point are the bugfixes in the addon. if you paid for sh4, you must buy the addon for having a complete game. i didnt have my copy of it yet, but it seems to have some bugfixes like the gauges in the conning tower. this is a bugfix for 1.4. it cant be used by sh4 owners, which dont want to buy the addon. because of this point, ubi should release a seperatly patch (1.4b?) which includes the bugfixes of the addon.
greetz, Jaeger
i didnt have my copy of it yet, but it seems to have some bugfixes like the gauges in the conning tower. this is a bugfix for 1.4. it cant be used by sh4 owners, which dont want to buy the addon. because of this point, ubi should release a seperatly patch (1.4b?) which includes the bugfixes of the addon.
You know you can download a fix for the conning tower gauges for free, right here in this very forum...
And, while you're at it, read elanaiba's post again. He is a dev, after all... ;)
I think most subsim-fans will get the addon without to much fuzz, and the noise is coming from a small but loud bunch.
I dont think UBI or the devs made this addon because they are nazis.:D They probably know that the German side of the underwater war of WW2 is more exciting for most, and this way they get many of the fence-sitters into Silent Hunter 4.
TDK1044
02-28-08, 07:25 AM
Personal opinion; to release a retail Add On product that also contains tweaks and fixes to the existing game, and to then not offer those tweaks and fixes as a patch to those not wanting to purchase the Add On, is synonymous with the problem of Ubisoft's Marketing Division.
'Let's treat a symptom while the disease marches on'. :D
AkbarGulag
02-28-08, 07:52 AM
There should be a patch.
I left a game franchise to come to SH4 because of poor customer support. Irony is, that franchise actually released patches when this exact same thing happens. It's not about how cheap it is, it's about the fact it builds on a game engine I bought in entirety, expecting to be a prime benefactor of improvements to that engine.
I see a new range of SH3 diehards are enjoying this.
Not to point it at you specifically Hitman, but I just wonder why some people are so apprehensive about buying the add-on.
Yes I know, I'm getting the expansion as soon as it hits the stores here :up: but if there are fixes and corrections on it that apply also to US subs, I think they should be somehow also given to those who do not buy the expansion. That was the only point of the question, really. But I must say that in the readme there are no fixes documented, and only improvements, which is alright to keep in the expansion :yep:
elanaiba
02-28-08, 08:17 AM
I don't think there will be a straight patch with more stuff from the add-on. Basically 1.4 added as much as possible from the add-on, but the idea is that some improvements simply require too many changes (code) from the add-on, to be viable separately.
I need to quote this guy since he's very smart.
AkbarGulag, am I to understand that you have bought the game engine from us :) ?
M. Sarsfield
02-28-08, 08:24 AM
There are plenty of mods to correct the issues and there will continue to be, because, thankfully, we have a bunch of dedicated modders that are addicted to playing with code. :)
I think $10 for a download is more than reasonable, but I want to wait for the supermods to catch up to 1.5, first.
Personal opinion; to release a retail Add On product that also contains tweaks and fixes to the existing game, and to then not offer those tweaks and fixes as a patch to those not wanting to purchase the Add On, is synonymous with the problem of Ubisoft's Marketing Division.
'Let's treat a symptom while the disease marches on'. :D
This is my sentiments exactly... I will likely buy the add on as well but to withhold pertinant fixes to issues from those who dont want the addon seems a bit idiotic to me. Not bashing devs, I know what they do and how hard they work... but Ubi has a track record and I see they continue to proudly march on to the same tune :down:
AVGWarhawk
02-28-08, 01:55 PM
They will be getting my $10.00 and that is final!!!!:smug:
They will be getting my $10.00 and that is final!!!!:smug:
In all honesty what is $10? since when can you buy an addon/expansion for under 20 or even 30 dollars anyway. I just bought and downloaded the addon, I will not install it till Kriller here gets ROW working and I do not have to worry about an imploding sub:damn: . hehe:up:
kylesplanet
02-28-08, 02:59 PM
I will happily buy the add-on and install it when the mods are complient though I'll probably never play a U-Boat campaign. I bought SH4 because it was fleetboats and I truly love the sim.
I hope in the future that there will be an add-on to play British or Dutch subs in the Atlantic but I'm afraid that will be a long way off as the U-Boats will take center stage.
I read and appreciate Elanaibas post and I understand completly the financial aspect but I can't help but feel like the Allied side will be forgotten in the series, hopefully I'm wrong. It's a great game and I hope we get to enjoy it for a long time.
BTW, I would love to be able to control a surface ship in the Atlantic and blow the U-Boats out of the ocean!:yep:
stuntcow
02-28-08, 04:47 PM
My concern is not about do I have to pay for a update but more to the line of how will it effect multiplay? I read somewhere, maybe in the readme, that the versions have to be the same to connect and if so, then a 1.4 will not connect to a 1.5 or other way around. Will the 1.5 player be able to play with the 1.4 players? Does adding the U-boot add-on kill any chance of multiplay with none add-on players? As if multiplay is not hard enough as it is.
bosna387
02-28-08, 08:50 PM
Hii huys im new to this forum but I have played this game for a long period and I like this game a lot with bugs or without all the bugs can be fixed and they will fix it for us thx ubi :D
Rockin Robbins
02-28-08, 09:11 PM
I already gave them my $10.00 and the game is downloading now.:rotfl:I'm a lousy protester. And loving it!:up:
I will happily buy the add-on and install it when the mods are complient though I'll probably never play a U-Boat campaign. I bought SH4 because it was fleetboats and I truly love the sim.
I hope in the future that there will be an add-on to play British or Dutch subs in the Atlantic but I'm afraid that will be a long way off as the U-Boats will take center stage.
I read and appreciate Elanaibas post and I understand completly the financial aspect but I can't help but feel like the Allied side will be forgotten in the series, hopefully I'm wrong. It's a great game and I hope we get to enjoy it for a long time.
BTW, I would love to be able to control a surface ship in the Atlantic and blow the U-Boats out of the ocean!:yep:I'm certain that I will never play the U-Boat but I am buying the patch tomorrow to support Elanaiba and the Dev team... and wait to install it when the mods I like catch up.
A mission or two in my GATO class in the Atlantic to sink something German - (Axis powers) - or a photo mission in the Med would make my day... lol
Happy Hunting!
Art
CO USS SCAMP (SS-277)
Does this mean there will be no free patch?
We all know there are still bugs in 1.4. Obvious bugs, like the connign tower dial bug just for example. There was never a official patch for this...that's a very weak support.
I've seen the Addon on shelf today...for 14,95€...that equals 22,45$.
In fact I'm now waiting for a update or patch for this addon before I considering to buy it.
Just a lesson that years of gaming taught me.
AkbarGulag
02-29-08, 10:30 AM
AkbarGulag, am I to understand that you have bough the game engine from us :) ?
I certainly bought the rights to use it in its entirety.
Here's an example, the Game GuildWars. You would have heard of it i'm sure. This game I have purchased 3 expansions + mulitiple bonus 'add-ons'. But at the same time, the game will always make sure I have the same 'patch version' as any other player. Guild Wars has cost me about $500. The reason I keep spending the money is because I feel I will always be looked after. When I log into Guild Wars, I am updated with new content with no fee... constant 'patching'. I realise Anet has set a very high bar, maybe I am wrong to expect this much from each game I purchase.
It seems everyone has an urge to kick me at this point, for you it should be no different.
elanaiba
02-29-08, 02:46 PM
AkbarGulag, am I to understand that you have bough the game engine from us :) ?
I certainly bought the rights to use it in its entirety.
Here's an example, the Game GuildWars. You would have heard of it i'm sure. This game I have purchased 3 expansions + mulitiple bonus 'add-ons'. But at the same time, the game will always make sure I have the same 'patch version' as any other player. Guild Wars has cost me about $500. The reason I keep spending the money is because I feel I will always be looked after. When I log into Guild Wars, I am updated with new content with no fee... constant 'patching'. I realise Anet has set a very high bar, maybe I am wrong to expect this much from each game I purchase.
It seems everyone has an urge to kick me at this point, for you it should be no different.
Hmmm, did I say anything about kicking anyone? Not that I would be able, I am not a mod.
Now..
It's not about how cheap it is, it's about the fact it builds on a game engine I bought in entirety, expecting to be a prime benefactor of improvements to that engine.
You have not bought the Silent Hunter Engine in the sense you buy the UT engine, for example. As for the MP problem, I can sympathize, but that is unsolvable for us.
There are many games where the MP player base is divided by versions - see IL-2 -> AEP -> PF -> 1946. You can't play with the big guys unless you have the latest version. Perfect solution? no!
And frankly, If I didn't have a technology impediment and full decision control, my games would have "everyone has the same base, buy the new stuff to get to use it".
But if the add-on adds new ships, and you get them for free, why buy the add-on then?
theluckyone17
02-29-08, 04:18 PM
I don't believe we can compare SH4 to a game like Guild Wars. Yeah, they're both pieces of computer software. But past that, it becomes apples & oranges.
From what I've seen of it, Guild Wars comes across as a hack & slash MMORPG. Don't know if you've happened to notice it or not, but there seems to be quite a few of these lately. Probably because there are a lot of people who want to play them. Lots of people willing to pay money to play them (some, like WoW, even pay monthly, in addition to the purchase of the original software + expansions!).
Silent Hunter, on the other hand, fills a niche market. How many submarine simulations are out there? How many are "modern" (produced, released, and sold within the last couple years)?
It doesn't take much to see that there's a lot more money in putting a MMORPG out there, than there is in a sub sim. If you're running a company, looking at the bottom line, where are you more likely put your dev's to work?
As a result, I'm more than happy to send a pittance to Ubi & the dev's every now and then, in return for an increasingly polished product. At least I'm not up on WoW, pouring money out of my pockets each month, trying to powerlevel my character up to level 60.
If you're not happy with the above, and figure you shouldn't have to pay for patches, go check out Danger From The Deep (http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net). Put your lack of money, excess time, and excess energy where your mouth is, and produce. DftD is open source... you've got the code and game data right in front of you. Make it what you want it to be.
AkbarGulag
02-29-08, 08:53 PM
But if the add-on adds new ships, and you get them for free, why buy the add-on then?
I think you missed my point a little there elanaiba. I'm talking more about things like Library files, tweaks to .dat .sim etc.. and general engine improvements. I would not expect anyone to get access to new content such as planes and boats etc.. thats what people should pay for :p Tweaks and balances are for Patches.
I'm talking about the engine and tweaks to that engine. Please understand that I have no problems buying the addon, in fact I already have it. More content is great and add-ons are an excellent way to generate funds for future developement.
On a side note, thanks for adding some items for New Zealand's roster :up:
If you're not happy with the above, and figure you shouldn't have to pay for patches, go check out Danger From The Deep (http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/). Put your lack of money, excess time, and excess energy where your mouth is, and produce. DftD is open source... you've got the code and game data right in front of you. Make it what you want it to be.theluckyone17: I don't play wow, nor would I ever use a pay to play product. Your generalisations are glaring.
I'm not interested in your flame. I suggest you take your unproductive post and yourself and avoid my discussions.
theluckyone17
02-29-08, 09:46 PM
My apologies, AkbarGulag. I tried to tone that down a little bit, honest I did :cool:. You should've seen the first draft :nope:. I should've elaborated a bit... didn't mean it personally, but as a general statement to all those out there complaining about the 1.5 "patches" (as opposed to add-ons) not being backported to the 1.4 installs, without having to purchase the add-on.
The dev's (and Ubi) are putting time and energy into these patches/add-ons, and I feel they should be suitably compensated for it. If anyone doesn't feel the same, that's fine... ain't gonna bother me none. I would prefer they take that energy and put towards a good project, though. I'm just sayin' :D.
And if you're ever passing through Albany, NY, drop me a line... I owe you one on my tab :yep:
AkbarGulag
02-29-08, 10:34 PM
(To Luckyone)
No problem Luckone. Just so hard to have a thought or opinion here recently without someone putting spin on it. I try to articulate myself as well as possible. Being a carpainter for 13 years never gave me the need for a pen(aside from some scrawling:lol:), I swear, picking it up again so to speak has been challenging. Not sure if I will ever get to Albany NY (New York?) but I do love a nice cold beer on occasion ;)
(To everyone)
I value elanaiba's statements and would like to keep the threads useful. I'm sure he has better things to do, so being here is a big plus for all of us. Can we please, pretty please with cheries on top all be nice to our visitors :yep:
SuperCavitation
03-01-08, 12:39 PM
In all honesty what is $10?
Actually, it ran me about $25.
$10 for the game, $15 for the beer. :p
DeepIron
03-01-08, 04:09 PM
I bought it... If for no other reason than to mod the new files , keep up with development and honor Dave's memory and contribution.
Soon as I can replace the new 1.5 splash screen the better...:shifty:
Madox58
03-01-08, 04:33 PM
$10 bucks for the Download,
$7 bucks for the beer.
Now a system that will run it at full tilt?
(My current one won't)
And the cost of the Divorce, finding a place to live,
paying Lawyers?
PRICELESS!!
:rotfl:
Thanks Ubi Guys!
:up:
Raptor1
03-01-08, 04:48 PM
And the cost of the Divorce, finding a place to live,
paying Lawyers?
:up:
You're not actually married to your Boat? :stare:
INFIDEL!
Madox58
03-01-08, 04:56 PM
DOH!!
:oops:
Got me there!!
:rotfl:
Although Nancy would say I'm married to Ubi's Evil SH series.
:lol:
:hmm:
perhaps I could divorce Ubi and win?
Seems like there has to be a shady Lawyer somewhere that would take the case?
:rotfl:
Raptor1
03-01-08, 05:06 PM
No lawyer would be willing to go and help you with all of Ubi's U-Boats and Fleet Boats patrolling the waters for Lawyers shipping around...
I have no issue with the paying for content, actually. I'd spend more on a single glass of wine some places I eat. Looks like there is some possible useful functionality, anyway.
The way to get 1.5 and no u-boats is easy. But the add-on, and don't play any u-boats, that's certainly my plan, I've owned Il-2 for years and never even been tempted to fly any german planes.
FIREWALL
03-01-08, 10:35 PM
Is there any truth to the rumor that you can burn the d\l to dvd ?
Earlier today someone posted such. I can't find their post now.
Pops2007
03-01-08, 10:41 PM
Silly question here; but here goes. Is this downloadable expansion from UBI compatible with the cd version?
FIREWALL
03-01-08, 10:46 PM
Hi pops2007:) I guess about 99% sure you can. With all the threads and posts flying around , if I were you I'd make 100% sure. Good Luck :up:
FIREWALL
03-18-08, 12:05 AM
[quote=FIREWALL]Is there any truth to the rumor that you can burn the d\l to dvd ?
Earlier today someone posted such. I can't find their post now.
BUMP
THE_MASK
03-18-08, 12:27 AM
Its $10 bucks man , come on . I am not interested to play the nazis at this stage again after SH3 but the other stuff for the pacific campaign is more than worth it . Too many new little and big things to mention here .
elanaiba
03-18-08, 05:03 AM
The add-on (digital download version) can be burnt to CD. You can install it on another computer, but you'll need the key and an active internet connection for the install.
The digital download is also compatible (can be installed over) with the DVD version of the game.
Rockin Robbins
03-18-08, 05:26 AM
I bought it... If for no other reason than to mod the new files , keep up with development and honor Dave's memory and contribution.
Soon as I can replace the new 1.5 splash screen the better...:shifty: Yes, sir, the splash and menu screens can be replaced by content from the good ole USA. (OK, is CaptainCox from the USA?). Oh well.
CaptainCox's Silent Service 1.2 Graphics Mod (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=110756) works great! Goodbye U-Boat! Hello US Pacific war!
Then you can layer Dowly's Pearl Harbor Menu (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108368&highlight=dowly) on top of that and be greeted at appropriate times in the menu process by black and white photos of the devastation at Pearl and hear President Roosevelt's declaration of war.
Ah, proper perspective is restored for those of you who primarily or only like the fleet subs.
I'm having a blast with my U-Boat though. It's like driving a Model A Ford after stepping out of a Packard Limo. Like tent camping after a night at the Hilton. Like leaving the cockpit of a P-51 Mustang and flying a Spad XIII. It's quaint, but effective.:cool:
Kapitan_Phillips
03-18-08, 11:46 AM
It's good stuff. More content for $10? I spend that much on lunch at work sometimes. :p
Jaaysus! :o:rotfl:
FIREWALL
03-18-08, 11:45 PM
[quote=FIREWALL][quote=FIREWALL]Is there any truth to the rumor that you can burn the d\l to dvd ?
Earlier today someone posted such. I can't find their post now.
BUMP
Vorkapitan
03-21-08, 07:03 PM
Heck, I can't buy me a woman for $10...if I could, I wouldn't want her!! :smug:
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Joe
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