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clayp
10-27-07, 10:04 PM
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Anyone have any ideas what is making the flames look like this?

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3534/sh4img27102007194258265pz5.png (http://imageshack.us)

Von Tonner
10-28-07, 05:45 AM
Hi Clayp, go to below thread and you will see how to get rid of it. For me, I just did a complete reinstall of everything and it went away. It is a file conflict.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=663113&highlight=fire#post663113

clayp
10-28-07, 11:21 AM
Hi Clayp, go to below thread and you will see how to get rid of it. For me, I just did a complete reinstall of everything and it went away. It is a file conflict.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=663113&highlight=fire#post663113

From what I can understand he replaced this file "newfire_add.dds file,"...Where do I get a new one?

clayp
10-29-07, 10:21 AM
Well I have tried all of the suggestions put forth and I still have the flame problem...:cry:

AVGWarhawk
10-29-07, 10:32 AM
Did you inquire with Leovampire? Maybe a PM to him for the answer. There is a fix.

Torps
10-29-07, 10:45 AM
I had this similar problem before, I tried replacing the fire_add file however there must of been something more then that, because that did not fix the problem atleast for me. What I ended up doing was deleting all my previous ROW files and downloading the latest, and by doing that I was able to resolve my issue. And I also had better graphics I guess my ROW files were old.

Alot depends on if you are running any other mod, you have to install them in a specific order. Another thing you can do is disable all the mods and enable them one by one until you get problem again and then rename the problem file, fire_add, particles, w/e.


Worst case scenario someone on here mentioned they completely removed SH4 and did a complete reinstall, and that fixed the problem.

clayp
10-29-07, 03:33 PM
Did you inquire with Leovampire? Maybe a PM to him for the answer. There is a fix.


Yes I did Hawk and I think he tried to tell me how to fix it but I'm too dumb to understand......:oops:

Torps,I think I will just try taking the ROW files out..I dont know how to install them the order or what are the latest one.....:oops:

R3D
10-29-07, 04:53 PM
this happened to me when using trigger maru 1.64, it was missing some fire effect file, installing ROW after TM fixes all that if you like using those mods..

leovampire
10-29-07, 05:15 PM
Then you end up with the problem. OR if you install and older Particles and materials file that dosn't suport the new textures that ROW present's for effect's.

We wanted to get away from the old fire effect's for the game to something more realistic looking and acting.

But it create's a new problem the fire textures and the file's that run them are inter dependent now.

http://files.filefront.com/People+with+fire+and+oil+srar/;8911494;/fileinfo.html

This link is a download that has the Particles / materials / and fire texture's and oil slik texture to solve your problem if this is your problem with missing or mismatched file's.

Let JSGME install it over what ever it warn's you about and your problems should go away as long as you do not have a hard wear problem on your end.

clayp
10-29-07, 05:57 PM
Leo I put the file from your last post in and now the game wont start,error message says "a component MOVIETEX.ACT" cant be found"..I guess I will re-load the game later on....

leovampire
10-29-07, 06:03 PM
Leo I put the file from your last post in and now the game wont start,error message says "a component MOVIETEX.ACT" cant be found"..I guess I will re-load the game later on....

And before I gave them to you I used JSGME to install them in my game first and then ran the game and no problems.

Are you useing JSGME or putting them in your game manualy?

Movietex act is in the main root directory of your game before you even go into the data file I just looked in my game.

clayp
10-29-07, 09:33 PM
Leo I put the file from your last post in and now the game wont start,error message says "a component MOVIETEX.ACT" cant be found"..I guess I will re-load the game later on....

And before I gave them to you I used JSGME to install them in my game first and then ran the game and no problems.

Are you useing JSGME or putting them in your game manualy?

Movietex act is in the main root directory of your game before you even go into the data file I just looked in my game.

Leo I'm useing the mod installer...I'm not feeling very well tonight so I will re-install the game tomorrow morning....:up:

leovampire
10-29-07, 09:47 PM
Leo I put the file from your last post in and now the game wont start,error message says "a component MOVIETEX.ACT" cant be found"..I guess I will re-load the game later on....

And before I gave them to you I used JSGME to install them in my game first and then ran the game and no problems.

Are you useing JSGME or putting them in your game manualy?

Movietex act is in the main root directory of your game before you even go into the data file I just looked in my game.

Leo I'm useing the mod installer...I'm not feeling very well tonight so I will re-install the game tomorrow morning....:up:

I can send you my Movietex.act file from my game you have to install it manualy because it goes right inside of the SHIV folder where you see the Data and Mod's folder.

clayp
10-29-07, 09:52 PM
Leo I put the file from your last post in and now the game wont start,error message says "a component MOVIETEX.ACT" cant be found"..I guess I will re-load the game later on....

And before I gave them to you I used JSGME to install them in my game first and then ran the game and no problems.

Are you useing JSGME or putting them in your game manualy?

Movietex act is in the main root directory of your game before you even go into the data file I just looked in my game.

Leo I'm useing the mod installer...I'm not feeling very well tonight so I will re-install the game tomorrow morning....:up:

I can send you my Movietex.act file from my game you have to install it manualy because it goes right inside of the SHIV folder where you see the Data and Mod's folder.

Thats fine if you would like to....skalb@socal.rr.com....I'm (to....skalb@socal.rr.com....I'm) sorry to put you to all of this trouble.....:oops:

leovampire
10-29-07, 10:06 PM
Leo I put the file from your last post in and now the game wont start,error message says "a component MOVIETEX.ACT" cant be found"..I guess I will re-load the game later on....

And before I gave them to you I used JSGME to install them in my game first and then ran the game and no problems.

Are you useing JSGME or putting them in your game manualy?

Movietex act is in the main root directory of your game before you even go into the data file I just looked in my game.

Leo I'm useing the mod installer...I'm not feeling very well tonight so I will re-install the game tomorrow morning....:up:

I can send you my Movietex.act file from my game you have to install it manualy because it goes right inside of the SHIV folder where you see the Data and Mod's folder.

Thats fine if you would like to....skalb@socal.rr.com....I'm sorry to put you to all of this trouble.....:oops:

No worries and I explained in the e-mail about unziping the file on you desk top then click on the folder and then right click the movie file and copy then find your game directory where you can see the DATA and MOD folder together. Right click in an empty spot and paste the new Movietex.act file. You should be all set.

clayp
10-30-07, 10:25 AM
Ok I put the new movietex file and the game runs...I removed all of the ROW stuff and I still have box flames...:hmm: Going to take my morning nap....:x DAMM game...

leovampire
10-30-07, 03:03 PM
Ok I put the new movietex file and the game runs...I removed all of the ROW stuff and I still have box flames...:hmm: Going to take my morning nap....:x DAMM game...

Check in the Texture file TNormal and see if the file's for the fire are in there or not.

And just for ha ha's copy and paste the fire file's in that download into both the TNormal and TLowRes and see if it stop's the problem for you. If it dosn't then I will send you original file's again to replace them.

clayp
10-30-07, 04:03 PM
Ok I put the new movietex file and the game runs...I removed all of the ROW stuff and I still have box flames...:hmm: Going to take my morning nap....:x DAMM game...

Check in the Texture file TNormal and see if the file's for the fire are in there or not.

And just for ha ha's copy and paste the fire file's in that download into both the TNormal and TLowRes and see if it stop's the problem for you. If it dosn't then I will send you original file's again to replace them.


I will do it sir...:sunny:

THAT DID IT SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...Ok now one more thing where do I get the latest ROW files and the instalation order?

Sailor Steve
10-30-07, 05:09 PM
That I can help with:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=122408




Or just click on the link in Leo's sig.:oops: :rotfl:

leovampire
10-30-07, 05:14 PM
Ok I put the new movietex file and the game runs...I removed all of the ROW stuff and I still have box flames...:hmm: Going to take my morning nap....:x DAMM game...

Check in the Texture file TNormal and see if the file's for the fire are in there or not.

And just for ha ha's copy and paste the fire file's in that download into both the TNormal and TLowRes and see if it stop's the problem for you. If it dosn't then I will send you original file's again to replace them.


I will do it sir...:sunny:

THAT DID IT SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...Ok now one more thing where do I get the latest ROW files and the instalation order?

I am glad to hear that I got you fixed up and operational.

Instilation order depends on other mod's you run. If you are using or plan to use the new T.M. Ducimus says now to run ROW first then his mod. But be carfull as I am not sure he straightend out the missing file's that you just fixed. I asked him to add them to his mod but I am not sure he did or not.

clayp
10-30-07, 06:06 PM
Ok I put the new movietex file and the game runs...I removed all of the ROW stuff and I still have box flames...:hmm: Going to take my morning nap....:x DAMM game...

Check in the Texture file TNormal and see if the file's for the fire are in there or not.

And just for ha ha's copy and paste the fire file's in that download into both the TNormal and TLowRes and see if it stop's the problem for you. If it dosn't then I will send you original file's again to replace them.


I will do it sir...:sunny:

THAT DID IT SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...Ok now one more thing where do I get the latest ROW files and the instalation order?

I am glad to hear that I got you fixed up and operational.

Instilation order depends on other mod's you run. If you are using or plan to use the new T.M. Ducimus says now to run ROW first then his mod. But be carfull as I am not sure he straightend out the missing file's that you just fixed. I asked him to add them to his mod but I am not sure he did or not.

Thank you sir..If I can figure out this screenshot program(Ifranview) I will post a shot of my mods.I been messin with it for a couple of days..I hate being a handicapped cripple and no use to anyone... and old and stupid :damn:

leovampire
10-30-07, 06:29 PM
Ok I put the new movietex file and the game runs...I removed all of the ROW stuff and I still have box flames...:hmm: Going to take my morning nap....:x DAMM game...

Check in the Texture file TNormal and see if the file's for the fire are in there or not.

And just for ha ha's copy and paste the fire file's in that download into both the TNormal and TLowRes and see if it stop's the problem for you. If it dosn't then I will send you original file's again to replace them.


I will do it sir...:sunny:

THAT DID IT SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...Ok now one more thing where do I get the latest ROW files and the instalation order?

I am glad to hear that I got you fixed up and operational.

Instilation order depends on other mod's you run. If you are using or plan to use the new T.M. Ducimus says now to run ROW first then his mod. But be carfull as I am not sure he straightend out the missing file's that you just fixed. I asked him to add them to his mod but I am not sure he did or not.

Thank you sir..If I can figure out this screenshot program(Ifranview) I will post a shot of my mods.I been messin with it for a couple of days..I hate being a handicapped cripple and no use to anyone... and old and stupid :damn:

After my stroke's I am not all their in the mind either it is a constant battle to keep every thing straight with a lot of help from note's LOL!!! :rotfl:

I am sure we can all figure out how to help you make your game work well just one step at a time.

clayp
10-31-07, 09:52 AM
Leo here is my mod folder(I think).....So can I use ROW and if so what would be the installtion order??

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4025/capture31102007065357fl7.th.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture31102007065357fl7.jpg)

leovampire
10-31-07, 04:36 PM
Leo here is my mod folder(I think).....So can I use ROW and if so what would be the installtion order??

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4025/capture31102007065357fl7.th.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture31102007065357fl7.jpg)

Just that if you want the full effects I would add all the stuff to the left as well as adding the ROW textures. The texture pack contains the Land and ocean graffic enhancment's as well as those fire and oil slik files you were originaly missing.

clayp
10-31-07, 05:26 PM
Leo here is my mod folder(I think).....So can I use ROW and if so what would be the installtion order??

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4025/capture31102007065357fl7.th.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture31102007065357fl7.jpg)

Just that if you want the full effects I would add all the stuff to the left as well as adding the ROW textures. The texture pack contains the Land and ocean graffic enhancment's as well as those fire and oil slik files you were originaly missing.

Ok what order do I put them in?

leovampire
10-31-07, 05:41 PM
Leo here is my mod folder(I think).....So can I use ROW and if so what would be the installtion order??

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4025/capture31102007065357fl7.th.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture31102007065357fl7.jpg)

Just that if you want the full effects I would add all the stuff to the left as well as adding the ROW textures. The texture pack contains the Land and ocean graffic enhancment's as well as those fire and oil slik files you were originaly missing.

Ok what order do I put them in?

Download from the ROW thread the ROW textures vs2 and ROW sub reflections and install them after you unpack them in the mod's folder then add everything you now have plus them to your game and you are good to go. The ROW download's for the mod it's self do not require a certain load order to the game.

No one part of the ROW download's over write's another unless you have a choice in the download's.

You can only run 1 of the sea foam's and only one of the cloud's other than that any order for the ROW stuff is fine.

clayp
10-31-07, 06:59 PM
Allright Leo I'll try it,as always thank you...:D

leovampire
10-31-07, 07:11 PM
Allright Leo I'll try it,as always thank you...:D

If you have any more problems let me know and I will try my best to fix you up in the future.

clayp
10-31-07, 07:19 PM
Leo the two on the left want to over write files is that ok?

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7919/capture31102007162128bp8.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture31102007162128bp8.jpg)

leovampire
10-31-07, 07:28 PM
Leo the two on the left want to over write files is that ok?

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7919/capture31102007162128bp8.th.jpg (http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture31102007162128bp8.jpg)

ROW special effect's will over write a small part of the NSM 2.6 you have installed and the ROW texture file will over write the file I gave you to fix the fire and oil slik problem you had. It contains those same file's.

clayp
10-31-07, 09:06 PM
Ok sir thank you....:up:

banjo
11-01-07, 12:49 PM
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Does anyone have a definitive solution yet? I read all the preceeding but found it confusing. So far, I have unloaded and then reloaded the two TM mods and then the Row mods. Any further suggestions?
Thanks. I'm talking about the square flames problem.

clayp
11-01-07, 03:20 PM
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Does anyone have a definitive solution yet? I read all the preceeding but found it confusing. So far, I have unloaded and then reloaded the two TM mods and then the Row mods. Any further suggestions?
Thanks. I'm talking about the square flames problem.

Try the file at this link....http://files.filefront.com/People+with+fire+and+oil+srar/;8911494;/fileinfo.html

If that dosent do it I have to look for another link...Put this file in with the mod installer.....:D

leovampire
11-01-07, 03:35 PM
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Does anyone have a definitive solution yet? I read all the preceeding but found it confusing. So far, I have unloaded and then reloaded the two TM mods and then the Row mods. Any further suggestions?
Thanks. I'm talking about the square flames problem.

Try the file at this link....http://files.filefront.com/People+with+fire+and+oil+srar/;8911494;/fileinfo.html

If that dosent do it I have to look for another link...Put this file in with the mod installer.....:D

See now you have experience and can help too LOL!! :rotfl: :rock:

clayp
11-01-07, 03:43 PM
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Does anyone have a definitive solution yet? I read all the preceeding but found it confusing. So far, I have unloaded and then reloaded the two TM mods and then the Row mods. Any further suggestions?
Thanks. I'm talking about the square flames problem.

Try the file at this link....http://files.filefront.com/People+with+fire+and+oil+srar/;8911494;/fileinfo.html

If that dosent do it I have to look for another link...Put this file in with the mod installer.....:D

See now you have experience and can help too LOL!! :rotfl: :rock:

I try to help Leo I'm just too stupid to do much...What was the link for the other texture files?

leovampire
11-01-07, 03:56 PM
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Does anyone have a definitive solution yet? I read all the preceeding but found it confusing. So far, I have unloaded and then reloaded the two TM mods and then the Row mods. Any further suggestions?
Thanks. I'm talking about the square flames problem.

Try the file at this link....http://files.filefront.com/People+with+fire+and+oil+srar/;8911494;/fileinfo.html

If that dosent do it I have to look for another link...Put this file in with the mod installer.....:D

See now you have experience and can help too LOL!! :rotfl: :rock:

I try to help Leo I'm just too stupid to do much...What was the link for the other texture files?

http://files.filefront.com/ROW+Textures+VS+27z/;8733025;/fileinfo.html

Your not stupid at all just new at all of this it take's time to pick it all up and understand how it work's. Don't beat yourself up until you have been here for months then make a mistake LOL!!! :rotfl:

clayp
11-01-07, 09:58 PM
Banjo put the files at this link in the 3 TEXTURE folder's in the texture folder inside of the DATA folder...http://files.filefront.com/ROW+Textures+VS+27z/;8733025;/fileinfo.html

Thanks Leo......:sunny:

banjo
11-02-07, 09:53 AM
I only have two folders--TNormal and TLowRes. I downloaaded and unzipped. There is a Data file. Shall I insert it into the game's data file?

banjo
11-02-07, 09:55 AM
From somewhere I got a Firetexture zipped folder with 2 files in it. Should I use them somehow?

clayp
11-02-07, 11:15 AM
Inside the "TEXTURE" folder in side the DATA folder in the main folder of SH4 you schould have THREE(3) folders marked TLOes,TLOWres and TLOnormal res..Put the files from the last link I gave you into each of these folder.They are marked whitch folder they go to...

banjo
11-02-07, 05:19 PM
In my Texture folder I have Tnormal and TlowRes only. I downloaded the file you suggested. it has Misc, Shaders, Terrain and Textures in it. The Texture folder has one file--Tnormal. Not at all as you described. Am confused.

leovampire
11-02-07, 05:43 PM
In my Texture folder I have Tnormal and TlowRes only. I downloaded the file you suggested. it has Misc, Shaders, Terrain and Textures in it. The Texture folder has one file--Tnormal. Not at all as you described. Am confused.

Only the unziped ROW texture file goes into the mod's folder then just activate it from left side to right side and you will be all set.

banjo
11-02-07, 05:56 PM
But I already have ROW Textures Vs 2. That's what this file is. Please see my JSGME above.

leovampire
11-02-07, 06:01 PM
But I already have ROW Textures Vs 2. That's what this file is.

Seeing you are having a problem with textures you just need to make sure this is activated on top of the other file's you have enabled. Somthing in your set up is over writing the file's you need to have working so make sure the ROW texture file is activated last.

banjo
11-02-07, 07:49 PM
Leo, I did that and then tested it. No change--square flames. Thanks though, I appreciate your help.

leovampire
11-02-07, 08:06 PM
Leo, I did that and then tested it. No change--square flames. Thanks though, I appreciate your help.

You can manualy input the file's in the game to make sure they work.

Go into the ROW texture file go to Data/Textures/TNormal/tex then find these 3 textures: NewFire_add.dds and the other Newfire_add texture then the oilspill.dds file's.

Copy all 3 of them then go into the actual game file Data/Textures/TNormal/tex and paste them in there with the game off. Then for ha ha's go back to the TLowRes/tex file and also paste them in there as well.

Fire up the game and you should be good to go.

banjo
11-02-07, 08:37 PM
Thanks. Too hard for me I think.

leovampire
11-02-07, 08:50 PM
Thanks. Too hard for me I think.

Unzip it and add it to the mod's folder then activate it I put the textures in both of the folders for you.

http://files.filefront.com/People+with+fire+and+oil+2rar/;8951125;/fileinfo.html

banjo
11-02-07, 08:54 PM
I have that file already and it didnt help before. I just re-loaded it. Maybe I'll have to wait until I get back into port for some of these changes to take. I'll wait to see until then. Thanks much.

leovampire
11-02-07, 09:03 PM
I have that file already and it didnt help before. I just re-loaded it. Maybe I'll have to wait until I get back into port for some of these changes to take. I'll wait to see until then. Thanks much.

This is a new one I made that add's the textures to both the TLowRes and the TNormal part of the game file's.

banjo
11-02-07, 09:56 PM
Got it. Enabling now. Will it take immeditate affect or do I need to go to port? Thanks. Oh, and I will delete the other file like this before I add this one.

leovampire
11-02-07, 10:01 PM
Got it. Enabling now. Will it take immeditate affect or do I need to go to port? Thanks. Oh, and I will delete the other file like this before I add this one.

Yep get rid of the other file I made available but still use the ROW texture file as that has all the other stuff from the ROW MOD.

banjo
11-02-07, 10:06 PM
Dang, still got square flames after loading People with fire and Oil vs 2. Maybe after I port things will change.

banjo
11-02-07, 10:11 PM
Good night, Leo. Thanks so much for all your effort. I can't imagine what the heck is going on that this is so difficult but I sure appreciate you sticking with me.

leovampire
11-02-07, 10:21 PM
Good night, Leo. Thanks so much for all your effort. I can't imagine what the heck is going on that this is so difficult but I sure appreciate you sticking with me.

And offer suport. Sorry it didn't fix it though I just don;t under stand what is up.

Just a question for you. Are you disabling the mod's before you delete anything? Also is JSGME shut off before you add a new file to the mod folder?

JSGME dosn't self refresh so if you do not deactivate a mod then close it and delete the file and add then reactive the program and then activate the mod sometimes there are problems.

I thought all of it was fixed with the new work he did on it but maybe not.

banjo
11-03-07, 07:35 AM
If I understand your questions the answer to both is yes.

My current right column of JSGME is exactly as follows:

REL TM GFX pak 2-2
REL TM 1-6-4
ROW Light Zones Special Effects vs 2
ROW Sound Effects vs 1
ROW Textures VS 2
People with fire/oil problems vs 2

If you want, I could unload and reload all.

banjo
11-03-07, 08:45 AM
More - - my SH4/Data/Textures folder contains 2 folders: TLowRes and TNormal. Should there be 3 folders?

banjo
11-03-07, 09:13 AM
SUCCESS!!! I unloaded all my ROW mods, closed JSGME, re-opened it, reloaded the ROW mods and the PPL with fire/oil problems, and Viola! I have real flames!

Leo, thanks again for such great mods and such outstanding tech support!

leovampire
11-03-07, 03:46 PM
SUCCESS!!! I unloaded all my ROW mods, closed JSGME, re-opened it, reloaded the ROW mods and the PPL with fire/oil problems, and Viola! I have real flames!

Leo, thanks again for such great mods and such outstanding tech support!

Glad you are up and running with everything working now! Enjoy the game and mod!

Anytime I can offer help I try so no worries at all.

Dave