Use of the term 'Jap' ingame

[arkham1010]

Last night I was playing, with my girlfriend in the room with me. During one of the cut scenes, the narrator said something along the lines of "And the japs have invaded Malaysia and are moving on Singapore."

My GF, being rather liberal, imediately flaired up and started yelling at me for playing such a racist game. I tried to calm her down, and said that in the context Jap was just short for Japanese, like Brit is short for British, but she would have none of it.

So let me ask you fine people. Do you think the term 'Jap' ingame in inappropriate?

[Thermocline]

Commentary as used/heard in-game has to be considered within the time-frame of the Sim. So the question now is: Would that comment have been inappropriate in the 1940's? I think not! :ping:

[OlegM]

Under no circumstances - don't marry the b1tch :arrgh!:

Imagine going thru whole life of *that* :down:

[Drifter9]

No, I think your girlfriend is just too left wing. Thats not racist at all. We are talking about a world war two game. Words like Jap, Jerry, Tommy, Yank and so on are going to be used. Its not like its actual hate slurs like "slant eye" or anything. Its an abbreviation of the nationality of a world war two enemy.

[macky]

Under no circumstances - don't marry the b1tch :arrgh!:

Imagine going thru whole life of *that* :down:

:rotfl: :rotfl:

[bobo]

Honestly I thought this woulda come up sooner (unless I missed it) :roll:

Let me guess.....she's got a soft spot for "undocumented workers" (illegal trespassers) too. Personally, I'd tell her it's part of history and if she doesn't like it well thats just too damn bad for her. Then again, I wouldn't have a liberal GF to begin with. :nope:

[clayton]

Under no circumstances - don't marry the b1tch :arrgh!:

Imagine going thru whole life of *that* :down:

I can see it now... 20 years from now... Your on the computer... She walks in the room all pissy... All you can say is,... F$CK!!! :rotfl:

[DaMaGe007]

Shadup hoe, get yo bitch azz back in the kitchen and bake me some pie !

its all down to conditioning, treat her like crap for a while so she gets some perspective :)

[mookiemookie]

Tell her to get off her historical revisionist kick. I'm as liberal as they make them, but I have no problem with the use of "Jap" in game as it reflects the time period that the simulation is set in.

[Tarnish_UK]

Seems funny that she didn't get upset at the fact that the game simulates the sinking of ships that quite often had innocent civilians or even Allied PoWs on board but she's offended by the abbreviation of the word "Japanese". I think she needs to get a grip on the idea of "context" when talking of World War Two history.

Rather you than me mate, best of luck to you!

:)

[bobo]

I can see it now... 20 years from now... Your on the computer... She walks in the room all pissy... All you can say is,... F$CK!!! :rotfl:

Been there, done that, got the divorce (was only 9 yrs though), found one who doesn't care. Doing MUCH better now

[Seminole]

Just confrims what we all know to be the primary prerequisite for being a liberal.

Play her the "Slap the Dirty Little Jap" file from the Honolulu Radio station.

[Linavitch]

My bird is Singaporean Chinese and she often asks me if I want to go out for a chinky. She has bee 'Anglicised' a little I guess.

[Psyon]

maybe if they used the other forms of slang in them days, she would not have even noticed.

nip, tojo, etc etc

[Kumando]

Under no circumstances - don't marry the b1tch :arrgh!:

Imagine going thru whole life of *that* :down:


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Sturat]

Under no circumstances - don't marry the b1tch :arrgh!:

Imagine going thru whole life of *that* :down:

:up:

[GoldenRivet]

Under no circumstances - don't marry the b1tch :arrgh!:

Imagine going thru whole life of *that* :down:

Amen, there should be a mod just for her that calls them "nips" for cryring out loud

its no worse tham call of duty or brothers in arms calling a German "Kraut" or an American "Yank" - these are short hand terms commonly used in the 1940s to "short hand" the nationality of any one nation's enemy.

Your lady friend is probably a super nice girl and right for you - i dont know but - The only conditions i would ever marry a liberal is

1. She is loaded with cash out the ass
2. she craps gold bricks on a daily basis

but fortunatly im married to a woman who calls a spade a spade and doesnt mind either of the three HUGE flags i have hanging in my room - the American flag - the Confederate flag and the Swastika

[SteamWake]

Ploitical correctness will be the death of us all.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

http://www.wayodd.com/funny-pictures2/funny-pictures-girlfriend-remote-7av.jpg

YOU NEED THIS:up:

[DaMaGe007]

Wait a minute..I dont get a narator reading stuff alloud, the map has text at the bottom and is totaly silent...

is this right ?

[Safe-Keeper]

Under no circumstances - don't marry the b1tch :arrgh!:

Imagine going thru whole life of *that* :down:"Nah, she was an awesome girl, pretty and smart and nice and witty and helpful, but she wouldn't let me use the word 'Jap', [new girl gasps in shock] so I dumped her pretty quick":rotfl:.

Personally, I think it's sort of silly to play a war game that involves attacking civilian merchants and allowing you to sink lifeboats full of survivors - and get mad at the word "Jap". But that's just me.

Either way, we're just rehashing a topic that's already been discussed at lenght:o, and the conclusion was that while OK in-game as part of immersion, it's not acceptable language on these forums.

its no worse tham call of duty or brothers in arms calling a German "Kraut" or an American "Yank"And it's not much better than calling an Asian "slit-eyes" or an African "******", either.

these are short hand terms commonly used in the 1940s to "short hand" the nationality of any one nation's enemy."Nip" and "Jap" were very racist terms in their age and still are today. This, too, has been discussed at lenght in the forums.

And to all of you who have turned this into a political discussion on liberals: At least we follow the teachings of your precious Jesus. You know, give to the poor, clothe the naked, turn the other cheek:p. Doesn't that give us at least some points;)?

[Sailor Steve]

Honestly I thought this woulda come up sooner (unless I missed it) :roll:
Probably just came onboard a little too late. Just a couple of months ago we had a big thread about use of the word "Jap".
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=105443&highlight=japs

A lot of people said they didn't care what anybody thought, they'd use any language they liked. A lot more discussed it reasonably, and a couple of Japanese members said they were indeed offended.

General consensus was that in general usage here on the boards it was better to be polite and think of others' feelings, but within the context of the game and when writing patrol reports and war stories it was fine to retain some of the historical context and language. Also remember that there was a considerable amount of hatred for the enemies (all of them) at that time.

Explain the context to your girlfriend, and if she has any questions show her this:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/g259446a.jpg

And then look at the war posters on thread #82, Page 5 of that thread.

[bunkerratt]

since miss bleeding heart could read and understand the term JAP! in english... she should go to the nearest V.F.W. post and say thank you very much..

[Meerkat154]

Ploitical correctness will be the death of us all.

....you got that right! :damn:

Changing history just to make it politically correct is unbelievable....how anyone would even contemplate doing that. "Oh no...let's not dare offend anyone!".
-Meerkat

[Subnuts]

Well, this thread has rapidly gone down the ****s, just like every other thread here about the pros and cons of using obsolete racial slurs. :shifty:

[Spaxspore]

Honestly I thought this would come up sooner (unless I missed it) :roll:

Let me guess.....she's got a soft spot for "undocumented workers" (illegal trespassers) too. Personally, I'd tell her it's part of history and if she doesn't like it well thats just too damn bad for her. Then again, I wouldn't have a liberal GF to begin with. :nope:
Agreed., its ok to be liberal, but you can go overboard. You must take in account this game is attempting to be as historical accurate as possible (the language of the era must be put into consideration) Its a sim for crying out loud...

Damn bleeding heart liberals.. give me a break...

[clayton]

since miss bleeding heart could read and understand the term JAP! in english... she should go to the nearest V.F.W. post and say thank you very much..

Amen, brother :yep:

[Spaxspore]

Just confrims what we all know to be the primary prerequisite for being a liberal.

Play her the "Slap the Dirty Little Jap" file from the Honolulu Radio station.

or "your a sap MR.Jap " I love that one...makes me laugh everytime... its so 40s

[Iron Budokan]

I'm willing to bet I'm more liberal than many others on this board. A LOT more. But even I don't have a problem with it as long as it's used in historical context in-game.

And let's stop all the liberal bashing, shall we? I can post just as many examples of how narrow-minded intolerant arrogant hate-mongering right-wing racist conservatives have effed things up from here to Sunday.

[flintlock]

These threads always spiral out of control in a hurry. This topic has been covered at nauseam already. Even in this thread, the discussion is going around in circles. With any luck a mod will move it to the General Forums or lock this already.

[Chiller1064]

As long it the term is used in a historical context (which it is), then this isn't a problem.

Just shows how ignorant people are these days when it comes to history. All that money going to public schools is REALLY paying off!:nope:

Public Schools and Universities= Radical Liberal Indoctrination Centers.

[Spaxspore]

Radical Politcal Correction reeducation centers...

You cant think this , you cant say that,you cant do that

You will think this way, you will say this, you will do that


Sad so very sad....

[RDDR]

Have good look at the documentary included on the other disc.
Watch and listen closely to the Fat Cat Admiral talking to the press, 1945 et al Japs, Nips, "Little Yellow...."
Watch how they have different Japanese voices narrating in broken English the praises of the US Silent Service, and giving figures of Japanese civillian and military tonnage sunk. I can just see it now.....
"OK listen up .Were gonna make dis movie and you bums are gonna say what we want you to say.Why? Cause you little bums lost..Right?
Hey Nagumo,get your ass over here......."Now read this into the mic.....Common Admiral read the damn thing."You want to go home early? You'd like that wouldn't you." Just read into the damn mic and lets get this done:lol:

[micky1up]

Last night I was playing, with my girlfriend in the room with me. During one of the cut scenes, the narrator said something along the lines of "And the japs have invaded Malaysia and are moving on Singapore."

My GF, being rather liberal, imediately flaired up and started yelling at me for playing such a racist game. I tried to calm her down, and said that in the context Jap was just short for Japanese, like Brit is short for British, but she would have none of it.

So let me ask you fine people. Do you think the term 'Jap' ingame in inappropriate?


shes talking the biggest load of PC crap its like calling a yank a yank or a pom a pom and believ me the japs have called and done to ours soldiers much much worse

[JSF]

I'm willing to bet I'm more liberal than many others on this board. A LOT more. But even I don't have a problem with it as long as it's used in historical context in-game.

And let's stop all the liberal bashing, shall we? I can post just as many examples of how narrow-minded intolerant arrogant hate-mongering right-wing racist conservatives have effed things up from here to Sunday.


I hear ya...........:rotfl:

[Biggles]

Her reaction is understandable,since she might NOT be as used to these kind of terms as we are,but she might have been overreacting.(honestly, I don't know....)

[Driftwood]

Good God! yes I said the "G" word........ The term "Jap" is being used in historical context within a game. I agree that it is a racial slur, it was at the time and it is now and shouldn't be used in polite company. HOWEVER, I sure wish some people (usually liberals) would just GET OVER IT!!!! Would this girl walk out of a movie that uses racial epithets when it's germain to the story?:doh:

[Chiller1064]

I'm willing to bet I'm more liberal than many others on this board. A LOT more. But even I don't have a problem with it as long as it's used in historical context in-game.

And let's stop all the liberal bashing, shall we? I can post just as many examples of how narrow-minded intolerant arrogant hate-mongering right-wing racist conservatives have effed things up from here to Sunday.


I hear ya...........:rotfl:

Problem is, we didn't get "political correctness" from the conservatives. But it's typical of the left to tar those "ignorant, narrow-minded, arrogant, hate-mongering" people who don't agree with the secular/socialist agenda. Last time I looked, it wasn't the conservatives who are trying to reverse-engineer society to THIER liking through the courts rather than taking a more libertine route (such as putting thier agenda up for vote).

So the LA Times gets to call Barak Obama a "magic negro" and not a peep from the left, yet when a conservative senator makes a remark to a 90+ year old man that doesn't include the N-Word, he's subject to weeks of comdemnation from the left.

People can agree to disagree, but with the current American Left- disagreement results is personal distruction and being labeled " ignorant, narrow-minded, arrogant, hate-mongering" just for having a different opinion or believing in traditional values.

[Helen Keller]

I always thought Jap was just a contraction for Japanese. What's wrong with that?

Malaysia wasn't overrun by Jewish American Princesses....




(I'm a heeb so it's ok!)

[XanderF]

I'm willing to bet I'm more liberal than many others on this board. A LOT more. But even I don't have a problem with it as long as it's used in historical context in-game.

And let's stop all the liberal bashing, shall we? I can post just as many examples of how narrow-minded intolerant arrogant hate-mongering right-wing racist conservatives have effed things up from here to Sunday.

Indeed

The root problem is hardly a "liberal" vs "conservative" thing (although I could make a jab about "conservatives" being more tolerant of 'hate speak', as long as the targetted group is not in vogue at the moment), but, rather, lack of historical perspective.

Most people today seem to think that WW2 was fought largely like the Gulf War 1 or 2 was fought. Precise, clinical, detached, etc.

The idea that the Allies (US bombers, for example) would specifically target civilians to cause as many fatalities as possible is rather outside their realization. In WW2, the concept of "collateral damage" as undesirable didn't really exist. The civilian infrastructure WAS the target. Most people don't know that LONG before Vietnam, Napalm was liberally used in World War 2 in both the Pacific and France.

It's revisionist history at fault, here, and that has nothing to do with political leaning, but is purely a function of how disinterested in history most people are.

[Ducimus]

Oh god here we go again. I have not, and will not read past the first post. This has been hashed out before in a 10 or 20 some odd page thread before. Please let this die.. again.

[nikimcbee]

Last night I was playing, with my girlfriend in the room with me. During one of the cut scenes, the narrator said something along the lines of "And the japs have invaded Malaysia and are moving on Singapore."

My GF, being rather liberal, imediately flaired up and started yelling at me for playing such a racist game. I tried to calm her down, and said that in the context Jap was just short for Japanese, like Brit is short for British, but she would have none of it.

So let me ask you fine people. Do you think the term 'Jap' ingame in inappropriate?

Time for a new girlfriend. Have fun though, play CoD2 MP and play as the Germans or Company of Heros, be German.;) Then you're a nazi;)

[Chiller1064]

I'm willing to bet I'm more liberal than many others on this board. A LOT more. But even I don't have a problem with it as long as it's used in historical context in-game.

And let's stop all the liberal bashing, shall we? I can post just as many examples of how narrow-minded intolerant arrogant hate-mongering right-wing racist conservatives have effed things up from here to Sunday.

Indeed

The root problem is hardly a "liberal" vs "conservative" thing (although I could make a jab about "conservatives" being more tolerant of 'hate speak', as long as the targetted group is not in vogue at the moment), but, rather, lack of historical perspective.

Most people today seem to think that WW2 was fought largely like the Gulf War 1 or 2 was fought. Precise, clinical, detached, etc.

The idea that the Allies (US bombers, for example) would specifically target civilians to cause as many fatalities as possible is rather outside their realization. In WW2, the concept of "collateral damage" as undesirable didn't really exist. The civilian infrastructure WAS the target. Most people don't know that LONG before Vietnam, Napalm was liberally used in World War 2 in both the Pacific and France.

It's revisionist history at fault, here, and that has nothing to do with political leaning, but is purely a function of how disinterested in history most people are.

That and a policy of taking history out of the classroom and replacing it with "social studies" that doesn't touch on anything other than cultural awareness. That proccess started 30 years ago- so no wonder most people are clueless when it comes to history and we are paying for it now on a daily basis.

[Penelope_Grey]

Don't see anything particularly recist in calling someone Japanese a 'Jap'

I'm British, if someone foreign calls me a "brit" I don't bat an eyelid over it.

I pretty much feel the same way about calling someone from Pakistan a 'Paki' to me, there is nothing inherently offensive about that, but then again, many people feel very differently.

Also people call americans "yanks" and nobody really cares.

Austrlians are Ozzys

New Zealanders are Kiwis.

They are just abreviations ans nicknames. No worry to me at all.

[nfitzsimmons]

My in-laws find the term mildly offensive, but I suppose that their perceptions are colored by the fact that they spent 4 years in a southern California internment camp and lost everything but the clothes on their backs. They find that more offensive.

[Greyghost]

Forget about the boards going down the drain. It's the world going down the drain when a word such as Jap can get the far left so worked up. :hmm:

I love also how they call for a stop to liberal bashing yet at the same time insult conservatives with lines such as And let's stop all the liberal bashing, shall we? I can post just as many examples of how narrow-minded intolerant arrogant hate-mongering right-wing racist conservatives have effed things up from here to Sunday. :roll:

[Spaxspore]

Last night I was playing, with my girlfriend in the room with me. During one of the cut scenes, the narrator said something along the lines of "And the japs have invaded Malaysia and are moving on Singapore."

My GF, being rather liberal, imediately flaired up and started yelling at me for playing such a racist game. I tried to calm her down, and said that in the context Jap was just short for Japanese, like Brit is short for British, but she would have none of it.

So let me ask you fine people. Do you think the term 'Jap' ingame in inappropriate?
Time for a new girlfriend. Have fun though, play CoD2 MP and play as the Germans or Company of Heros, be German.;) Then you're a nazi;)


"I heard the nazis are all ten feet tall"

"jsut give me a rilfe, one round, and point me to berlin"

[XanderF]

I'm willing to bet I'm more liberal than many others on this board. A LOT more. But even I don't have a problem with it as long as it's used in historical context in-game.

And let's stop all the liberal bashing, shall we? I can post just as many examples of how narrow-minded intolerant arrogant hate-mongering right-wing racist conservatives have effed things up from here to Sunday.

Indeed

The root problem is hardly a "liberal" vs "conservative" thing (although I could make a jab about "conservatives" being more tolerant of 'hate speak', as long as the targetted group is not in vogue at the moment), but, rather, lack of historical perspective.

Most people today seem to think that WW2 was fought largely like the Gulf War 1 or 2 was fought. Precise, clinical, detached, etc.

The idea that the Allies (US bombers, for example) would specifically target civilians to cause as many fatalities as possible is rather outside their realization. In WW2, the concept of "collateral damage" as undesirable didn't really exist. The civilian infrastructure WAS the target. Most people don't know that LONG before Vietnam, Napalm was liberally used in World War 2 in both the Pacific and France.

It's revisionist history at fault, here, and that has nothing to do with political leaning, but is purely a function of how disinterested in history most people are.

That and a policy of taking history out of the classroom and replacing it with "social studies" that doesn't touch on anything other than cultural awareness. That proccess started 30 years ago- so no wonder most people are clueless when it comes to history and we are paying for it now on a daily basis.

Oh, please. The process did not "begin 30 years ago" - although I'm sure every generation since the dawn of time has thought that the 'moral decline' into its current state "began 30 years ago".

The populace at large has NEVER been interested in history. You'd argue that it's a travesty that a US citizen today does not know the entire Bill of Rights. I would probably agree, but I'm a history nut, too. Fact is, two centuries ago, the typical citizen of this country couldn't even read. So a modern US citizen doesn't know the lyrics to the national anthem. Big deal, a century ago BASIC trig (as simple as what we use for aiming torpedoes in Sh3 and Sh4 and comes second-hand to all of us) was nearly mythological to most Americans.

Have we REALLY lost something when a typical 'educated' American can't recite all 50 state capitols, but CAN code not only operate a computer, but code in HTML, several scripting languages, and explain basic differences in elements based on periodic table values?

I'm sorry, but you are making a logical fallacy by attributing one fault in knowledge to a general decline. CAN people be smarter than they are? Surely. That's ALWAYS been possible, though. Is the average American today less intelligent than they were 100 years ago, though? Hardly! They are FAR more educated and knowledgeable, just as those 100 years ago were compared to our ancestors 200 years distant. Certainly, the topics of education change, but that's needed to keep up with change in the world.

I agree that it's a shame that history isn't as interesting to most people as it is to me - but that doesn't mean it's being replaced in the classroom by useless drivel that drives the average intellect down. They just have different priorities today.

[GoldenRivet]

Under no circumstances - don't marry the b1tch :arrgh!:

Imagine going thru whole life of *that* :down:"Nah, she was an awesome girl, pretty and smart and nice and witty and helpful, but she wouldn't let me use the word 'Jap', [new girl gasps in shock] so I dumped her pretty quick":rotfl:.

Personally, I think it's sort of silly to play a war game that involves attacking civilian merchants and allowing you to sink lifeboats full of survivors - and get mad at the word "Jap". But that's just me.

Either way, we're just rehashing a topic that's already been discussed at lenght:o, and the conclusion was that while OK in-game as part of immersion, it's not acceptable language on these forums.

its no worse tham call of duty or brothers in arms calling a German "Kraut" or an American "Yank"And it's not much better than calling an Asian "slit-eyes" or an African "******", either.

these are short hand terms commonly used in the 1940s to "short hand" the nationality of any one nation's enemy."Nip" and "Jap" were very racist terms in their age and still are today. This, too, has been discussed at lenght in the forums.

And to all of you who have turned this into a political discussion on liberals: At least we follow the teachings of your precious Jesus. You know, give to the poor, clothe the naked, turn the other cheek:p. Doesn't that give us at least some points;)?

hope you dont feel like I turned this into a political discussion but i feel compelled to repsond on your comparisons of Liberals as examples of Jesus...

I thought liberals were the ones who were trying to

1. Teach evolution and anti creationism
2. Remove all "in God we trust" nomenclature from currency
3. Kick Jesus out of schools
4. Rip the 10 commandments out of court houses (despite them being the basis for our system of law)
5. Destroy public prayer for Christians - i guess its ok if i was a muslim or something
6. promote homosexuality even though practicly every religious text known to man says for no man to lay with another man.

giving to the poor and clothing the naked is one thing - stealing from my pay check in order to do it is another matter entirely (welfare) - thats aspiring to be more like Robin Hood NOT Jesus. Dont get me wrong, i donate to charity, but i do it of my own free will, not because the liberal agenda created a law saying that i HAVE TO do it.

ps im not mad or insulted nor am i trying to stir you to anger and insult - just illustrating interesting points you and other have brought to mind.

[Rykaird]

This discussion has really degenerated and is certainly not a discussion of SHIV. It should be locked for being a repeat or moved into the outer wastes known as "General."

[GoldenRivet]

yea.. agreed

[Seaweed]

Wait a minute..I dont get a narator reading stuff alloud, the map has text at the bottom and is totaly silent...

is this right ?
It's actually a music soundtrack so make sure the game music is turned on.

The historical perspective the cut scenes provide is excellent in my opinion. Really makes you feel like a big full scale war is raging around you.

[Gizzmoe]

This has been hashed out before in a 10 or 20 some odd page thread before.

Yup, thread closed.