KMS Bismarck and KMS Prinz Eugen '41 Skins [DOWNLOAD]56kwrn [Archive]

Type941

07-11-05, 05:41 PM

DOWNLOAD through Rapidshare here (http://rapidshare.de/files/2983000/KMM_BismarckHipper.rar.html)

Another mirror is at U-Boat simulations = KMM_BismarckHipper.rar is the file name to search for.

:rock: :rock: :rock:

2 ships that took part in Battle of Denmark Strait are now skinned properly. You get Bismarck in its final camouflage (i.e. correct color of deck, all wood, and swastika covered in dark gray canvas, only the 'fake' wave is kept on hull) and Prinz Eugen Hipper class has also lost its stripes (albeit not fully, they still show trhough just a little). Plus the portholes are resized on both ships. They look much better now I think.

Enjoy. Below are preview shots.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7415/previewkmmbismarckhipper3xs.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5716/previewkmsbismarck6jb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

And the money shots:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7725/prinzbri9td.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5229/bismarckfires2ce.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

terrapin

07-11-05, 06:24 PM

online in the /Skins dir

Krieg-Schwein

07-11-05, 06:32 PM

Looks like I'm one of the first for a change!

Danke

Type941

07-11-05, 07:31 PM

Thanks Terrapin. :)

Syxx_Killer

07-11-05, 08:39 PM

Looks awesome! I was wondering just today when you were going to release these skins. I look forward to using them. :cool:

I'm really loving your other home fleet skins. Those BBs look really nice without that camo. :up: :up:

Now, to just get rid of that Illustrious camo... :P :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Wulfmann

07-11-05, 09:33 PM

Very nice I will have to get that even if I have never seen Bismarck. But will like having that skin for the Hipper in port from RUB's SCR.

According to what I have read all the turret tops were painted yellow both the 380MM and 150MM for Rhineland. This was done in Norway and supposedly the stripes could barely be seen through the new paint.

I can send scanned copies of the color drawings. I also have a few colored drawings of U-boat skins; 4 Type VII and 3 Type IX. No Prinz Eugen but three of Hipper. PM an email add for anyone that wants me to scan these.

Until then I must have these, the screens are very nice as well

Wulfmann

Type941

07-12-05, 01:31 AM

Hipper I've submitted is accurate for Prinz Eugen - i.e. the stripes show through, and roof tops are unlikely to have been red or yellow during the military operation - those were just for training in the baltic - Bismarck also have had black muzzles and dark color roof tops on turrets.

But in short - yuo can't make changes to SH3 turrets and such - they are all using 1 generic paint scheme - so modifying it will cause all ships to look like that = and a destroyer with red turret tops is not something I would recommend. You can safely play with this Hipper, it's as accurate as SH3 allows imho. :)

Capn Tucker

07-12-05, 03:38 AM

These skins are perfect! Just what I've been looking for. Many thanks for these.. :D :up:

LukeFF

07-12-05, 03:53 AM

Excellent! :yep:

Schultzy

07-12-05, 06:26 AM

Thank you! :cool:

Syxx_Killer

07-12-05, 08:27 AM

Type941

07-12-05, 09:04 AM

Very nice I will have to get that even if I have never seen Bismarck.

I usually don't see any battleships, either. I don't know if I should say this, but I go into the Museum and admire the BBs. Ok, I'm a sucker for battleships. :oops: :oops: :rotfl:

I promise that once my movie filming activities are done, I'll release my Battle of Denmark Strait mission where you can take part in sinking a KGV that's engaging Prinz Eugen and Bismarck. You'll have to watch out also for an airplane and 2 cruisers. Potentially, a good hunt. :)

Catfish

07-12-05, 09:34 AM

Wulfmann

07-12-05, 10:57 AM

I believe these will be as close as is possible to what Bismarck looked like on the last cruise given the one color cover everything so is the best solution.
He had red turret tops in the Baltic, but it does seem they were yellow for Rhineland as was Scharnhorst and Gneisenau for Berlin and Hipper for Weserubung. Although, I have never heard a good reason as to why.
Hipper's December 1940 Atlantic scheme is my favorite.
The Twins had a nice powder blue for turrets tops in Cerberus. Sounds like a Girly man was in charge of the painting in Brest, LOL
Because the nearly fresh paint put on in Norway to cover the camo and swassis have come off after all the years on the bottum, some wrongly assume they were that way for Rhinubung. They are mistaken

Wulfmann

Wulfmann

07-12-05, 11:08 AM

The highest ranking survivor from Bismarck and author of Battleship Bismarck A Survivor's Story; Baron Burkard von Mullenheim-Rechberg states on page 83. "With the thought that, in the hazy visibility of these northern waters, our black-and-white stripes might stand out and betray us, both we and Prinz Eugen painted over our camoflage with the standard "outboard gray" of German Warships."

Anyone here that served on the Bismarck is free to dispute that.

Anyone else will appear a fool!

Wulfmann

Shadow9216

07-12-05, 11:19 AM

Anyone else will appear a fool!

AND....Wulfmann SPIKES the ball over the net with a perfect slam! :rock:

Syxx_Killer

07-12-05, 11:35 AM

"With the thought that, in the hazy visibility of these northern waters, our black-and-white stripes might stand out and betray us, both we and Prinz Eugen painted over our camoflage with the standard "outboard gray" of German Warships."

Reading that makes me wonder why they even bother putting camo on ships in the first place if they are worried it will betray them.

Type941

07-12-05, 12:09 PM

Trust me, I've spent long hours before deciding on final paint job. And what I made, is of what I'm certain 99% is correct last scheme on Bismarck. Yes, the stripes are painted over, and yes, they still showed through (she was painted in 1 night - how well do you think it was done? I doubt back than they painted ships in one day!). The website I give in my readme was the source, look it up - I believe it's the most detailed description on the ship there is. The fact that its confermed by survivor is another testament to that.

Let me put it this way. From what I made, these things were NOT done because of SH3s texturing method:

Turret tops - at least the top turrent was painted over. The muzzles should be darker. Other turrets are NOT red or yellow - they are in fact Gray. It's a common mistake to think they were red or yellow - and this idea only came about because of Prinz Eugen! But Bismarck in denmark strait battle had DARK GRAY paint over turrets! not red or yellow. It's absurd to have that, comon. :)

Fake white wave on bow ONLY should be there. I have it at both ends - due to texture mapping in SH3. They only kept the wake.

Swastika - not painted over - just covered in canvas! Dark gray canvas. That's why it shows now on the wreck of the ship - the canvas is long gone, but the swastika remains there. Same reason why camoflage shows - because painted over effect is almost gone. BUT - the fake wave is still clearly visible. - in other words, it proves that the wave was left. :ping:

Type941

07-12-05, 04:05 PM

here's a few more pics taken with this new camera mod.

Prinz Eugen

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/796/hipperstation9cu.jpg

Bismarck
http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/3391/bismarckare4qz.jpg

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/545/sttionedatbeg8rv.jpg

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/7025/bismdist4cl.jpg

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/4292/bismarckback7su.jpg

Wulfmann

07-12-05, 04:49 PM

As one that spent many years in black and white photography I can safely say, the Bismarck had much darker turret tops in the Baltic than the sides of the turrets. The tone of the darker grey is such to be near certain they were not grey at all but a reddish color.
In the Atlantic the turret tops and angled tops were cretainly lighter than the sides and were most likely not a grey but I can not be 100% positive of anything other than what I stated above. Unless we can get decent color photos after his painting in Norway we will have to make our own conclusions by what ever we like or even just want to believe.

You are the first to say the swassies were covered in canvas. What source do you have for that?

Very nice screen shots of some very fine skins indeed! For sure a big improvement

Wulfmann

Duli

07-12-05, 04:51 PM

It would be great to command a ship like Bismarck or Prinz Eugen or any other BB in the game. :D

Type941

07-12-05, 06:23 PM

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/pictures/1941rheinubung/paintbism1941rheinub06sidesmall.gifhttp://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/pictures/1941rheinubung/paintbism1941rheinub06sidesmall.gifI don't think there is a question that turret tops were painted in different color. It's just WHAT color is the question. I don't think they can detect the color from the wreckage (especially that underwater colors change appearance) - because turrets fell out when the ship capsized while sinking.

But, let me just point you to this source and you can read everything yourself. http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/bismarck_menu.html - I went by their info as it seemed very credible - though they might be wrong of course, after all everything is restored.

Camouflage: http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/paintbism1941rheinubung.html

One I used for 1941:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/pictures/1941rheinubung/paintbism1941rheinub06sidesmall.gif

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/pictures/1941rheinubung/paintbism1941rheinub06abovesmall.gif

From the source:
The way the Bismarck might have appeared when she left Norway on her journey to the North Atlantic.
Notice that the Swastika's on this drawing is completely painted over by dark grey. The black lines that illustrates the Swastika's is only to inform that they are underneath the dark grey paint.
The colour of especially the main - and secondary turrets and turret tops of the Bismarck in the last few days of her career is often heavily discussed. Many people believe that they were grey, some believe they were yellow or even red. I have not yet seen any reliable source that could support the theory that the colour should be yellow or red. Unless I see some clear documentation that other colours has been used I will not change the colours used in my paint schemes. The dark grey is still to be found on the secondary armament on the wreck.

I also suggest looking here: http://www.bismarck-class.dk/paint_schemes/introduction.html to understand how even a photograph in B/W can make mistake by looking at exact same picture taken in different light.

And just a 3D model:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/illustrations_and_drawings/gaspar_pina/pictures/illustr_bismarck_exterior_small.jpg

And more:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/illustrations_and_drawings/monty_mills/pictures/illustr_bismarck_05.gif

Oh, and that it was painted or covered in canvas - there are 2 sources - one qoutes the Bismarck survivor (I think), the other one is on the above listed site. I don't know for sure myself, it IS confusing. But from the aboe evidence and that the second armament found on the wreckage had dark gray paint, and not red, over the turret tops, indicates that in Bismarck's final hours it carried not RED, not Yellow, but dark gray color. The red paint was supposed to be there for gunnery exercises only!

Basically, on the purpose of Swastika on the decks: While in friendly waters or under the Luftwaffe coverage, it served to help to identify the ships as german. Once out of Luftwaffe coverage they were painted over in dark gray OR alternative theory says - covered in canvas. For SH3 - it's irrelevant, as it's just a bunch of gray pixels. :|\

Hope this clears some questions. :up:

Wulfmann

07-12-05, 09:49 PM

Good info but all drawings by those that suppose. I have colored drawings that show Bismarck with yellow turret tops.
I also have B&W photos in the three book series Battleships by Garzke and Dulin, considered the definitive work on modern battelships. On the vogage to Norway the very dark turret tops are evident and those are the red that were painted over. I guess you would say they were a very dark grey but the photos in Bergen show the turrets very light. This repaint was said to have begun south of Norway.
I can not imagine putting canvas on the deck of a ship going into the north Atlantic. that does not sound right, IMO and I would need conctrete evidence to show the Germans did something seemingly stupid. That could tear and expose the ID marking and also make that area difficult for the crew. Makes no sense.
Even if we could prove the turret tops were yellow, they could not be in SH3 and it seems there are two views from our various sources that do not agree and by there own admission are not sure.
Very good sight, glad you shared that. The skins are fabulous. I see Hipper in France but assume she will be leaving shortly as I am entering early 41 when she should be going home. Big improvement with your paint.
Wulfmann

Type941

07-13-05, 02:25 AM

removing paint once back in friendly waters to expose swastika could be a long task too- unless they paint new swassy over it. :) Like you said, the sources are not sure as well, and to me anyway, for Sh3 the most important bit was the hull = i.e. figuring out what parts of camo were kept and which parts were removed. And deck - at least all sources agree it's gray color - hence the skin itself is about right. :know:

I'd like to see those drawings though, since you mention he's 'the man' when it comes to Bismarck paintings. :hmm:

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 12:05 PM

If someone could explain how to post screen shots I would put them up or you can PM me an email add and I will scan them all and send them to you.
There is a very neat Type VII Mediterranean skin.
According to the book “Kriegsmarine, A pictorial history of the German navy 1939-1945” by Robert C. Stern, the standard turret color tops for combat areas that the Luftwaffe operated in was yellow.
Half way through the Norwegian campaign the Germans realized the Brits were painting their turret tops yellow to hopefully keep the Luftwaffe from attacking them.
So for June 1940 they painted the tops a dark gray. But, they reverted to yellow after the campaign concluded. They also kept the swassy for recognition during Norway.
I have a picture of Bismarck in route to Norway with very dark turret tops that appear they are dark red. With B&W film red darkens too much when a proper filter is not used and when one compares other known dark grey areas it is easy to see the tone is different. I then have a picture, very well known, of Bismarck in Bergen where the turrets are now a very light color, as light as anything else anywhere on the ship. The barrels are dark.
Does it not seem logical, give the Baron’s statement, that if the new intent was not to make sure the Luftwaffe not bomb them as they were headed for water behind the lines, so to speak, but to keep the enemy from determining they were German and that they would therefore want the least mount of any recognizable color?????
That would logically assume gray.
That does not mean, because it makes more sense, it should be or was gray.
But, it seems like the more reasonable assumption.
In the fun of investigation, I do hope someone can find definitive proof rather than deductive reasoning which concludes with only opinions.
If I ever see Bismarck in SH3 it now has your skin, by far the best one done, IMO.
I doubt it had that much rust. There is a diesel generator exhaust starboard above the water line about even with the back of turret Caesar that leaves a big black stain.
Wulfmann

The Avon Lady

07-13-05, 12:10 PM

If someone could explain how to post screen shots I would put them up
Image Shack (http://imageshack.us/).

No more excuses. :up:

joea

07-13-05, 12:14 PM

Wonderful work buddy. :cool:

I know Tirpitz was a bit different from her sister....more AA and some other details but it would be a blast to have a Tirpitz in the game in the Norwegian fjords. Just cloning Biz with a Tirpitz camo would work wouldn't it? Too bad we don't have the Twins Scharnhorst and Gneisnau in as well.

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 01:17 PM

I already have a URL (Photobucket) with screens I post at the UBI SH3 site. How do you place them here. It is not self evident, at least not to me.
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The Avon Lady

07-13-05, 02:13 PM

I already have a URL (Photobucket) with screens I post at the UBI SH3 site. How do you place them here. It is not self evident, at least not to me.
Wulfmann[/img][/url]
[img]http://my.pic's.url[/img]

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 02:17 PM

test

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/Wulfmann/CL-seen-1.jpg

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 02:19 PM

ThanksAL,
Seems like there should be instructions listed (This is where someone points me to a neon sign somehwere that I should trip over but missed, LOL
Wulfmann

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 03:01 PM

OK, the yellow turrted German warship drawings. First show herr Bismarck with his gold crowns.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/Wulfmann/g-ship-dawings-1.jpg

Next shows Tirpitz and Hipper for the PQ-17 party

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/Wulfmann/g-ship-dawings-2.jpg

And here is Gneisenau from the cover of the book the others came from

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/Wulfmann/g-ship-dawings-3.jpg

Wulfmann

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 03:04 PM

And here are the U-boat drawings

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/Wulfmann/g-u-boat-dawings-1.jpg

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 03:14 PM

From a different book on just the German cruisers this is from the cover with Hipper during Weserubung

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/Wulfmann/g-ship-dawings-4.jpg

Type941

07-13-05, 03:38 PM

You are right, the Ugly Sisters would have been a great addon as well..

Yellow turrets huh? Have no idea why would a warship carry yellow turrets! But about 'definitive proof' - it seems that when the Bismarck expedition by james cameron took place, they found a C turret and it was dark gray on top. 3D-History.com I think has more info on it - that guy rebuild the whole model and later used it for the movie and explaration. His drawings paint the turret tops as dark gray aslo.

Oh, and yes, there shouldn't be that much rust, but what the heck. :shifty: :know:

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 03:49 PM

What ever color the turrets are they most certainly are not dark anything. The last photos of Bismarck taken by Prinz Eugen proof that beyond any doubt.
I don't remember seeing the turret top on any of the documentaries on Bismarck, including Camerons'. I only remmber the shots of the turret upside down. Do you have a link for that?
I will scan that pic from Prinz and repost it.

Wulfmann

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 04:07 PM

These were the last German pictures taken of Bismarck by the Prinz Eugen. I do not know if it will show in the posting but this being a cloudy day allows an accurate assesment, IMO. As one who has shot tens of thousands of B&W photos and printed maybe 20,000 8X10s what may seem obvious to me may not to others.
The turret tops are a different colr than the sides of the turrets and the turrets, both 150MM and 380MM are the lightest things on th ship, much lighter than the standard grey of the sides. I am sure that is obvious but the change in tone from the verticle turret sides to the angles may be harder to see in these as compared to from the book, These are well known photos so other may also have them to examine.
Fun to speculate and happy we are keeping it a friendly exchange of ideas as sometimes people want to be right more than correct. Glad that is not the case.
Wulfmann
from the side
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/Wulfmann/bismarck-1o.jpg

last shot look at the turret compared to everything else

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/Wulfmann/bismarck-2o.jpg

Type941

07-13-05, 04:31 PM

Well, all we need now is someone assigning special turret colors on Bismarck and Eugen so we can have fun and paint them any way we like. Sorry, can't find the link right now on the turret colors... :doh:

Wulfmann

07-13-05, 04:50 PM

I am delighted with the skins just as you did them.

Is it possible to have more than one Hipper skin? Like with the various merchant skins or because that would be random the Prinz might show up as Hipper in 40 or 42?

Wulfmann

Syxx_Killer

07-13-05, 04:58 PM

Or maybe a camo skin for the Tirpitz? I think there were more than one. All the rust on the Bismarck and Hipper is killin me. Would it be possible to lessen it a bit? :lol:

LukeFF

07-13-05, 07:06 PM

Or maybe a camo skin for the Tirpitz? I think there were more than one. All the rust on the Bismarck and Hipper is killin me. Would it be possible to lessen it a bit? :lol:

I'll second that request. I love the work you've done on these and the British ships, Type941, but the excessive rust is a bit over the top.

The Avon Lady

07-14-05, 01:45 AM

ThanksAL,
Seems like there should be instructions listed (This is where someone points me to a neon sign somehwere that I should trip over but missed, LOL
Whenever you post, look on the post screen's left side, at the small OPTIONS text, below the Emoticons (smilies). It says there:

BBCode is ON. BB stands for Bulletin-Board. Click on the word BBCode for general help.

Since many forums use software that supports the same or similar code, once you familiarize yourself with it, you can use it in many other places.

Type941

07-14-05, 03:23 AM

I'm experimenting with less rust on the Illustrious and if that works, I'll try to apply same idea to bismarck/hipper.

Tirpitz is possible, if only in a non camo, rather dark hulk and light superstructure. May be start a thread on that and put all reference pics there, so it's much easier and encouraging to start such a project. :know: Bismarck took quite long time because of research.

Type941

07-14-05, 11:05 AM

Update - version 1.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7267/newrustfreebismarck2an.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Alternative Version 2
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/4609/newrustfreebismarck21nk.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Removing the rust effects is a pain. Right now it's gonna have effect of rust painted over type of thing, with textured gray. Tell me if you like this better.

2 versions are slightly different - the one above is more uniform paint job, the stripes and stern/bow camo doesn't show through as much as that on the version2. Which one do you like best? I prefer V2 - it's more close to that book scan. :arrgh!:

EDIT:

Here's the slighlty different version, using more accurate color I think. It's a bit lighter.
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/3566/newrustfreebismarck2ligher3ml.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

LukeFF

07-14-05, 12:37 PM

EDIT:

Here's the slighlty different version, using more accurate color I think. It's a bit lighter.
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/3566/newrustfreebismarck2ligher3ml.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

This one definitely looks the best and the closest to the scan from the kbismark.com site.

Syxx_Killer

07-14-05, 02:23 PM

I like the second one better, too. When you were doing your research on the ship, did you see anything about why they painted over the camo but not the bow wave? Also, is there any evidence the stern wave may have been left in place, too?

Type941

07-14-05, 03:00 PM

I like the last version as well - more lighter one. The bow wave was kept, the stern wasn't. The reason it's here is because SH3 uses the same wave on both ends - in fact, if "W" is the wave texture, the mapping of the SH3 Bismark's hull looks like this:

\==WW=====================W==|

Wulfmann

07-14-05, 06:43 PM

They are all so good I would be haapy with any.. Your work, should be your choice.
Wulfmann

Type941

07-14-05, 07:11 PM

I'll release a separate bismarck only pack that will contain the 3 skins: Reworked Denmark Strait Battle skin, Baltic Skin (repositioned portholes, not so rusty) and also a light gray/white skin for pre-war colors. So 3 Bismarcks, you will chose which one you like! :up:

1940
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3154/bismarck403qz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us) :huh:

1941 - Baltic
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2385/bismarck417ud.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
:smug:
1941 - final
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3658/bismarck4129yt.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us) :rock:

Syxx_Killer

07-14-05, 09:10 PM

I am literally foaming at the mouth for these. I look forward to them! :rock:

Would it be possible in any way to reverse the "arrow" on the SH3 model? In real life it was pointing towards the stern. I also noticed the other "ribbons" are facing forward as well and not rearward like in SH3. I know it is rather minor.

CCIP

07-14-05, 10:03 PM

Ohh, shiny :sunny:

Awesome job. The 3rd skin is really quite something. You've really been going to every length for this project, hats off :up:

Jace11

07-14-05, 10:27 PM

Ship hull tga files have an alpha layer. When I removed the stripes off bismarck a while ago, I made a black and white version, put a gradient on the hull section I had altered and put it as an alpha in the tga, so it looked right, but I was never certain why the hull tgas have alphas. Is it something to do with shadow casting and lighting effects. I notice some class have more hull "effects" than others.

Anyway, just wondered if anyone knew. I presume it is not to do with the black damage effect that can appear...?

Type941

07-15-05, 05:28 AM

Yes, alpha is for shadow enhancement. it has to be made for best effect, but it's not very prominent if it's missing some elements (like portholes, or camo).

Regarding stripes alignment - I don't know, if Ubisoft made this glaring mistake on purpose... Were they afraid of some Kriegsmarine copyrights?! :88) But it's impossible to align them properly without making disturbing changes to the superstructure. Basically, I won't do it, and this screenshot should explain what's wrong with replacing them.

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/4984/bismarrr6nz.th.jpg (http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bismarrr6nz.jpg)

I've got the 1940 version done as well and bit better than previous shot. Light gray hull.
http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/7299/bismarck40side4yb.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bismarck40side4yb.jpg)

And the good news is I've made Tirpitz also in 2 versions. I only picked the early war one because the later version had AA guns on turrettops, etc, so the early war version is more accurate. I think you'll be happy, even though the full camo version is not entirerly accurate, again, due to texturing in SH3. It still gives a good impression imho.

Tirpitz 41
http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/3952/tirpitz419wa.th.jpg (http://img312.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tirpitz419wa.jpg)

Tirpitz 42 :rock: :rock: :rock: :hulk:
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/8879/tirpitz423uo.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

joea

07-15-05, 06:27 AM

Dude!!!! :cool: :rock:

All we need is S and G and a pocket battleship or two!

Syxx_Killer

07-15-05, 08:07 AM

Ok, I see about the Bismarck camo. That alright. At least it is there in the first place. :up:

The Tirpitz looks amazing! :up: :yep:

Jace11

07-15-05, 08:12 AM

i got a bismarck rec manual plate minus stripes that i use if you want.

Type941

07-15-05, 08:52 AM

Jace, may be upload it to rapidshare and we post a link for all those interested in having one in addition to the ship (i'm using all standard plates though). :up:

Jace11

07-15-05, 09:00 AM

http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/5206/nbbbismarksil5dh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Goes in SH3/Data/SEA/BISMARK

http://s28.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3881YSHQYVSPC1KR0WYYH17UH7

Wulfmann

07-15-05, 10:15 AM

Tirpitz looks super.

But, I do not have any picture or drawing like that. 1942 was as above drawing and pictures support that.

Of, course she could have been repainted like you have it in between the pics I have. I also have a 1944 camo drawing of her I can scan.

I must wonder if doing the Rosselsprung camo is possible as it goes from WL to high in the superstructure.
Wulfmann

Type941

07-15-05, 10:36 AM

Tirpitz I made is something like the 2 below. I won't bother with it anymore, because it's impossible to make it perfect due to texturing problems. Tirpitz isn't a priority for me anyway, and if someone wants to make it better, I'm sure they can.

1943, Opertaion "Rösselsprung" Paint Scheme I (September 1942 - July 1943)

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/paint_schemes/pictures/1942/09_tp_juli_42_scheme_4_camo_I_port.gif

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/paint_schemes/pictures/1942/09_tp_juli_42_scheme_4_camo_I_starboard.gif

If you want to use the more accurate Tirpitz skin, use the one with only black bow/stern bits. The Camouflage of "Rösselsprung" is very complicated and is different on the sides, as presented in images above.

If you are referring to this one:

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/paint_schemes/pictures/1942/07_tp_february_42_scheme_4_camo_G_starboard.gif

- I am not sure I am gonna do it..

Wulfmann

07-15-05, 10:47 AM

That was what I had for Rosselsprung (it is 1942). I have a different one for later (1944).

The reason it was different on each side was the camo is for hiding against the backdrop of the fiords not the open sea so each side had to blend with the view from that position.

If we could operate out of a northern Norwegian port that we could place Tirpitz in for eye candy I might care about it but I agree it does not really serve the play of SH3.

Wulfmann

Type941

07-15-05, 11:15 AM

It used both types of camos in that operation, so you have one version, and I have the other.

Only updated this one:
http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/3614/a2jsh32005071519084929small7bx.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Reason I'm not making the other one is because the turrets are black. :shifty:

LukeFF

07-15-05, 01:04 PM

Awesome job! Are we going to be seeing the same type of work for the Hipper & Prinz Eugen CAs? :hmm:

Type941

07-15-05, 03:02 PM

I remade Hipper with baltic livery - only change really was the porthole resizing. Won't do more to it.. Or will I? :rotfl: Time permitting, may be.

Still need to finish the carreer first.

Wulfmann

07-15-05, 08:36 PM

That screen or Tirpitz looks so darn good.

Very impressive work indeed!! :rock:

Wulfmann :up:

Beery

07-16-05, 02:14 AM

Hello,
thank you for this mod !
However now i'm really confused - i always thought the Bismarck would have had removed her camouflage painting when she made for her last cruise, like it's in your mod. Some weeks ago someone (Beery?) stated the Bismarck still had her camouflage paint when she went down

I doubt it was me. I've known for some years that the Bismarck had painted over her camouflage when she went on her final cruise. There were some markings remaining, but most of the camouflage was gone. See this image:

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/pictures/1941rheinubung/paintbism1941rheinub06sidesmall.gif

Beery

07-16-05, 02:24 AM

Oh, and can we use these Bismarck/Hipper tgas in RUb/SH3 Commander please?

Also, if anyone has the different paint scheme variations for any German ship, SH3 Commander can make SH3 change paint schemes as the war progresses, so any ship can have its proper paint scheme for any period of the war.

Beltza

07-17-05, 02:31 AM

Hello Type941.

I would like to have the 1940 version. With Destroyer Command, my last Bismarck version was like this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Beltza/Bismarck-Oficial.jpg

My email:

beltza@24flotilla.com

Great work, thanks.

The Avon Lady

07-17-05, 02:41 AM

These are really impressive renditions! :up:

When you're finished with them all, it would be nice to see then packaged for use with the SH3 Commander, I would think.

From what I now understand, SH3C allows installation of specific skins based on dates.

That would seem to fit in perfectly with the various camo schemes shown here.

Type941

07-17-05, 03:47 AM

I'll have to find out about SH3C and what it is fist. :doh:

The Avon Lady

07-17-05, 04:58 AM

I'll have to find out about SH3C and what it is fist. :doh:
SH3 Commander thread (http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=39487&start=0).

Just installed it very nice.

If you look at the last few posts on the thread by the modder, you'll see that you can create date folders in SH3's main folder, load them up correctly with files relevant for that date period, start up SH3 Commander to run SH3 and SH3 Commander will determine the current date of your career and match up the files from the date folders it finds.

That's how I understand it. If so, seems like a perfect match for dated skins.

Beery

07-17-05, 07:22 AM

you can create date folders in SH3's main folder, load them up correctly with files relevant for that date period, start up SH3 Commander to run SH3 and SH3 Commander will determine the current date of your career and match up the files from the date folders it finds.

That's how I understand it. If so, seems like a perfect match for dated skins.

That's right. SH3 Commander will load skins into the game based on the date you set them up. So you could have 6 different Bismarck skins for 6 different periods, and they will all show up in the game on approximately their correct dates (there's a little bit of randomization built-in because of the way the game advances the career date). Any date-based change can be incorporated into the game using SH3 Commander. You can have over 2,000 versions of any single skin (if you'd ever want that many) incorporated into the game.

The Avon Lady

07-17-05, 07:37 AM

You can have over 2,000 versions of any single skin (if you'd ever want that many) incorporated into the game.
Obviously someone high up in the BdT had investments in BASF's paint division. :hmm:

rulle34

07-17-05, 07:49 AM

Beery

07-17-05, 08:04 AM

Is there any way at all of getting the stripes the right way round?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Beery/plan_bis2.jpg

Type941

07-17-05, 11:09 AM

Beery, look at what I said on page 3, 1st post... Already adressed that question with pictures, etc... :ping:

Rulle - not yet. and you'll only get v3. v2 is not so accurate, sorrym so It's not gonna be available. ;)

Beery

07-17-05, 12:11 PM

Beery, look at what I said on page 3, 1st post... Already adressed that question with pictures, etc... :ping:

Yeah, but with the painted over stripes the problems above decks are hardly visible. I think we could at least have a proper version for after the Rheinubung period.

Type941

07-17-05, 04:30 PM

Beery

07-17-05, 07:40 PM

Beery - it's not THAT simple. If it was I would've done it. May be I'll give it a closer look, but right now I have some other things going on in life so until than, it stays as is (unless someone else mods it).

Hehe, I know it's not easy - I've tried it myself. I just wonder if it's possible for someone to try moving some of the skin sections on the 3D model so that it would be easier?

Type941

07-18-05, 04:19 AM

Oesten

07-18-05, 06:22 AM

Guys:

I've just installed this mod and gone to the Museum. In the Museum the Bismarck appears with very pale, unpainted turrets. Almost pale blue. They are much lighter than the gray of the hull and bridge, and look like there's no texture applied to the turret surface at all. Looks like a model in a graphics program.

The rest of the ship is fine, it's just the turrets that are funny.

Has anyone else had this problem?

Type941

07-18-05, 03:52 PM

My mod has nothing to do with the turret color changes or whatnot.

The TURRET TEXTURE is THE SAME for all other ships. If you are using the 'guns, and stuff' mod (or whatsits name) than that could be a problem, because it does make everything a bit blue and modern looking.

With default textures for guns, you shuold have no such problems. With anything modded for guns - yuo'll have these things which I can't even explain. Again, my mod only deals with hull/deck/superstructure. Nothing with guns.

PS> My avatar title and signature clas a little funny. :rotfl:

Oesten

07-19-05, 01:40 AM

Type941

07-19-05, 12:28 PM

yeah, just like I thought. I tried those guns and turrets and they didn't work well with different sorts of thips, hence I kept the stock version which works well.

Beery

07-19-05, 02:18 PM

@ Type941 -

Can we use your Bismarck/Hipper skins in SH3 Commander? You will get full credit for the mods in the readme file.

LukeFF

07-19-05, 02:21 PM

Type941, are these new versions of the Bismarck available for download, or are you still finishing up work on them?

Type941

07-19-05, 02:48 PM

It's ok to use in SH3 commander, once they are released. :up:

I hope that answers both questions. :ping:

Syxx_Killer

07-24-05, 10:16 PM

Hi. How's those cool skins coming along? :D :up:

Type941

07-25-05, 05:27 PM

brrrrrrrrr. Wake up wake up seaman!

:D

Sorry, been doing some other things, some R&R and some RBR. :D Will get back to it when I have time and ... desire. Some real life stuff is also very much pushing me - getting a job after colledge is so tough. :( Wish me luck with that. :damn: :stare:

rulle34

07-25-05, 05:38 PM

Good luck Type941 :)
/Rulle

Syxx_Killer

07-25-05, 06:15 PM

getting a job after colledge is so tough. Wish me luck with that.

Tell me about it. :damn: :damn:

But if you decide to start on the skins again, I look forward to it. If not I support your decision. :up: :up:

Type941

07-25-05, 07:47 PM

Let's just hope with skins it's a quiestion of WHEN, not IF. Same with the job. :huh: :hmm: :dead: I have an MBA and no job. This is Bullsh(t. :damn:

iambecomelife

07-26-05, 12:10 AM

Nice job, 941. It's always great to see another class of ship lose that cartoony look. I especially like how you rescale parts like portholes so that they don't look ridiculous next to the weapons crewmembers.

Type941

07-27-05, 06:01 PM

Alright. The latest update is this - I've totally formatted my HDD. :huh: :huh: :huh:

Good news is I made backup of SH3 and will resume work on it (hoepfully!!!!) next week. First order of business is to zip up all the completed projects, like those bismarcks and tirpitz, plus the Eugen with correctly resized bits. :|\

LukeFF

07-29-05, 05:01 PM

Cool! Looking forward to it. :yep:

redstorm101

07-30-05, 04:25 PM

[quote="Type941"]here's a few more pics taken with this new camera mod.

Prinz Eugen

http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/796/hipperstation9cu.jpg

Bismarck
http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/3391/bismarckare4qz.jpg

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/545/sttionedatbeg8rv.jpg

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/7025/bismdist4cl.jpg

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/4292/bismarckback7su.jpg[/qu

ote]

Wow that cam mod looks great! I have been using the "user cam mod".....is this the same or the "pro-cam mod"? and if it is the pro-cam mod....how can i find it??

thanks..
redstorm101............. :|\

Missouri23

07-30-05, 07:15 PM

I don't get how to use this skin, I'm new to this, I downloaded this, but I don't know how to get it to work?

After I downloaded this I checked my Bismark in the game and it was still the same, if someone could please help. :oops:

Type941

08-01-05, 01:06 PM

Read the readme because it's clear I think on what to do. Paste the contents into SH3 folder, or use the JGSME mod.

I'm getting the rest of the skins for release, so hopefully tonight:

1. Bismarck 1939 - Light Gray
2. Bismarck 1941 - Baltic
3. Bismarck 1941 - May 22- onwards, Opertaion Rhinebung, battle of Denmark Strait.
4. Tirpitz 1941 - dark gray stern/bow
5. Tirpitz 1942 - winter camouflage, white bow/stern, dark striped hull
6. Prinz Eugen 1941 - Baltic
7. Prinz Eugen 1941 - Operation Rheinubung (faded baltic, painted over stripes, similar to Bismarck Denmark Strait)

All will be to use with JGSME mod manager, so you can easily switch between the skins, depending on time, etc, and can be used with OTHER mods, per request here (SH3 Real time or smth? :)) No problem!

Just need to do some final tests, and release it.

EDIT: http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=41015 for download