SUBSIM Kiel meet

[Onkel Neal]

Short notice but here it is: The Skvader dev team and I will be visiting the U-995 in Kiel, Germany (Laboe). We will be at the museum on Sat Aug 6 at 09:00 until the afternoon. Come join us. We will be doing an extensive survey of the boat for the new game and then dinner afterwards.

Questions: post them in this thread.

Map of Laboe/U-995 (https://www.google.se/maps/place/U-Boot+Museum+U-995/@54.4123902,10.2286792,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xcd9594da92dac400!8m2!3d54.41 23902!4d10.2286792?hl=en)

U-995 info (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-995)

[Schroeder]

I'm afraid I'm too stretched for cash at the moment for such a trip.:88):/\\!!

[Onkel Neal]

Ah, come on, put it on your credit card :shucks:

[Betonov]

I have the same problem as Schroeder an a few hundred kilometers of a reason more :-?

[Schroeder]

Ah, come on, put it on your credit card :shucks:
I have a principle: "No debts whatsoever."
Especially not while being unemployed.:-?:/\\!!

[Onkel Neal]

I have just marked in my schedule and plan to be there. That's what I intended with "How about another SUBSiM MEETiNG ? (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=221459)".
But 0900? Is that not a bit early? Where are you staying? Or are you driving through the night?

The you will be so tired that you are going to slam your head at any instrument in U-995, I tell ya :D




No worries, we will be arriving the day before.

[Catfish]

Schroeder where do you live?
Or drop me a pm..

[Cybermat47]

I have an appointment the day before, unfortunately.

[Catfish]

Ok i'm in. :yep:

[Penguin]

Hmm, if the catfish comes, the penguin shall also attend! :)

Can't really tell if it will be possible as I'm on a tight schedule till late August, but I try to work something out.

[Catfish]

^ Nice :)
Let all the animals join in :03:

[Betonov]

Anyone willing to make a small detour to Slovenia :hmmm:

[Commander Wallace]

^ Nice :)
Let all the animals join in :03:

Well, squirrels are aminals too like Eichhörnchen (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=329818) (And no, Aminals wasn't a typo ) :D

He might be up for a " road trip " :)

[Catfish]

Anyone willing to make a small detour to Slovenia :hmmm:

Oh i'd like to, then to England to fetch Jim and Eichhoernchen.. Scotland .. if i were a millionaire .. :yep:

[Subnuts]

I'd love to go, but money is awfully tight, and I know about three words of German. If there's ever another Subsim meet in New England, I might be able to swing by for a day, if I can beg a ride off someone. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Can't commit because summer holiday is a week after and that isn't even finalised yet.

Bloody annoying :stare:

[Onkel Neal]

Some more good news, I think we will have a Special Guest, possibly two :rock:


Can't commit because summer holiday is a week after and that isn't even finalised yet.

Bloody annoying :stare:

Really sorry, Jim :( I don't expect anyone to drop everything and show up where I will be. I was never planning to come to Europe again, tired of travelling myself (and I hate cramped flying conditions) but this project changed my outlook. There was no long range plan.

Exactly that was what I tried to organize in the thread: "How about another SUBSiM MEETiNG ? (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=221459)"






Organizing a meeting is always hard and hit and miss. A lot of factors -budgets, travel distance, holidays, jobs, etc-- mean that there never is a date that all can attend.

[Jimbuna]

Really sorry, Jim :( I don't expect anyone to drop everything and show up where I will be. I was never planning to come to Europe again, tired of travelling myself (and I hate cramped flying conditions) but this project changed my outlook. There was no long range plan.



You've absolutely nothing to apologise for Neal, I know how suddenly events unfolded.

Heck, the previous European Meet (Denmark) clashed with my 25th Wedding anniversary so nothing new there then :)

Sooner rather than later mate.....sooner rather than later.

Perhaps we should explore a joint venture to Salt Lake some time :03:

[limkol]

@Neal,

How are you getting there? Are you flying or going by ferry/overland? If so, where from?

[Onkel Neal]

@Neal,

How are you getting there? Are you flying or going by ferry/overland? If so, where from?


Driving down from Stockholm, and then... ferry or drive? Which should I do? Last time it was ferry, maybe this time drive via E20 an E45? What do you think?

[max-peck]

I would love to come

I have just spent the last two hours searching the internet and apparently I cannot fly from London to Kiel

What fresh hell is this??

[Onkel Neal]

I would love to come

I have just spent the last two hours searching the internet and apparently I cannot fly from London to Kiel

What fresh hell is this??

Yes, Hamburg is your airport. From there is a train to Kiel. I can pick you up at the station.

[limkol]

Hello Neal,
You could drive over to Göteborg. There's a big maritime museum there with a destroyer, Swedish sub and even a monitor, like the ones used in the American civil war. There are other vessels you can go on board too.
From Göteborg you can take a ferry to Frederikshavn and drive through Jutland to Northern Germany. On the way, just off the motorway E45 is a city called Aalborg. There is also a maritime museum there with an old NATO sub and motor torpedo boat.
I don't know if the route is the most practical for you, but it's an option.
And whilst you are in Germany don't forget to stock up on beer, soft drinks and chocolate etc. I think it's a lot cheaper than in Sweden.:salute:

[limkol]

@Blitzkrieg
Hello Blitzy:)
Yeah, been a while.
Don't know if I can go, it's a bit touch and go at the moment. Would love to go but the timing's not good. :-?

[max-peck]

Yes, Hamburg is your airport. From there is a train to Kiel. I can pick you up at the station.

That is an awfully kind gesture Neal

I have just taken a look at flights and feel that it may be out of my price range a little (I am used to being able to fly to loads of places in Europe for about £50!:o Mainly by booking well ahead:))

But if my situation cnanges I will let you know

Again - many thanks for the offer :up:

[Catfish]

We (wife will probably be joining) will have to drive via Hamburg, to get to Kiel. So if there's anyone to pick up..

[Schroeder]

OK, I'll be there too. I'll hitch a ride in Catfish's car.:salute:

[Onkel Neal]

Meeting at the U-995 at noon, not a second earlier. :up:

[Aktungbby]

Heck, the previous European Meet (Denmark) clashed with my 25th Wedding anniversary so nothing new there then Meeting at the U-995 at noon, not a second earlier. :up:

And gentlemen in Napa now abed Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here :know: Thank God for good moderator's precedent excuses! It's my 36th Wedding anniversary today: so a :subsim: escape was impossible!:wah: but I'm simply envious....:damn:

[Catfish]

Meeting at the U-995 at noon, not a second earlier. :up:

You earnest? So not 9:00 a.m.?
This is important, then i can sleep longer :O:

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, brother, sleep in.

[Aktungbby]

You earnest? So not 9:00 a.m.?
This is important, then i can sleep longer :O:
"And Gentlemen abed in Germany...."
:O:

[Catfish]

"And Gentlemen abed in Germany...."
:O:

Henry Vth ?! :timeout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4OS17lqHiE
:O:

[Penguin]

Got around all obstacles, I'll be there, too.


OK, I'll be there too. I'll hitch a ride in Catfish's car.:salute:

:up: Looking forward to finally meet you in person.

Meeting at the U-995 at noon, not a second earlier. :up:

Will you guys still arrive on Friday? I'll invade Kiel in the early afternoon on the 5th.

[Onkel Neal]

It is 11 hours from Stockholm, so we may arrive fairly late. PM me when you arrive and I will check my messages as soon as I find a hotel.

[Mr Quatro]

Ya'll have a good time ... first drink is on me payable at the first USA subsim meet :D

Practice your English accent Neal and for heavens sake don't tell anyone your from America :o

[Sailor Steve]

payable at the first USA subsim meet :D
Did you mean "Next"? There's already been three.

[Jeff-Groves]

Ya. And a Limo was hijacked at the last one.
Houston Police have a suspect sketch.
http://images.clipartpanda.com/disney-goofy-christmas-clipart-goofy1.png

[Onkel Neal]

Ya'll have a good time ... first drink is on me payable at the first USA subsim meet :D

Practice your English accent Neal and for heavens sake don't tell anyone your from America :o

I'm from Texas, and I Will be wearing my George Bush for President tshirt:shucks:

[Sailor Steve]

Ya. And a Limo was hijacked at the last one.
No, that was the one before. The last one was at August's in 2010.

[Jimbuna]

Ya. And a Limo was hijacked at the last one.
Houston Police have a suspect sketch.
http://images.clipartpanda.com/disney-goofy-christmas-clipart-goofy1.png

http://i.imgur.com/AtVvg1W.jpg
The usual suspect http://i.imgur.com/iyAgvgm.gif

[Mr Quatro]

Is that a picture of the limo driver or you Jim?

http://i.imgur.com/AtVvg1W.jpg

Yes Steve of course I meant the next one in February for the 20th anniversary somewhere over the rainbow.

[Jimbuna]

Is that a picture of the limo driver or you Jim?

http://i.imgur.com/AtVvg1W.jpg

Yes Steve of course I meant the next one in February for the 20th anniversary somewhere over the rainbow.

That be me matey but the uniform tie is not standard issue (should be a clip-on to prevent anyone wishing to strangulate the wearer).

[Sailor Steve]

Yes Steve of course I meant the next one in February for the 20th anniversary somewhere over the rainbow.
Apologies. There are people who don't know the history of the SubSim meets. :oops:

[Onkel Neal]

around noon

[Gerald]

Arriving now no problems with driving..?

[Jimbuna]

around noon

Nice one buddy :cool:

[Capt. Steve Rogers]

Cant find catfish.... Neal

[Catfish]

Couldn't find Neal.... Catfish :03:

Nah no problem, all went well! :yeah:

[Schroeder]

just returned safely to my home port.
It was nice to have meet you all finally in person.:rock:

Thanks again to Catfish for taking me along and all the other support.:salute:

[Onkel Neal]

It was a great time, thanks for coming out to meet. Glad to get a chance to shake your hand. :salute:

I seem to have no group pics on my phone so I will have to rely on one of you for the photo....:yep:

[Jimbuna]

It was a great time, thanks for coming out to meet. Glad to get a chance to shake your hand. :salute:

I seem to have no group pics on my phone so I will have to rely on one of you for the photo....:yep:

Ever the diplomat :03:

[Gerald]

Glad you had a nice time.:)

[Aktungbby]

Cant find catfish.... Neal

Conan!:Kaleun_Salute: after an eight year silent run!

:rotfl2: :haha: :har: :k_rofl: :rotfl2:

Conan is Neal. Don't ask for details though.:rotfl2:

You cruel bugga :shifty:








:har::har::har::har::har:
Originally Posted by August http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2366391#post2366391)
Hey Neal, maybe you should create an anonymous account for posting on GT so you can be a jerk like the rest of us when you want to be without people rage quitting over it... Haha, man, that would interesting. But no, I wouldn't do that to you guys.
NO NO in in Henry V the king walks anonymously among the the troops the night before Agincourt...(or Kiel) to get the feel of the troops before the fight! Well I suspiciously considered the Wilbur Plotnik (anonymous account: I always do this) thing before posting a 'welcome aboard'; looked it up and noted a few downloads and a very currenthttp://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?pictureid=8723&albumid=1013&dl=1458265023&thumb=1 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=1013&pictureid=8723) album-deemed it an authentic 1st post and was jus' bein' hospitable!:k_confused: Neal has crossed his own "T'... and takes my advice!:arrgh!: :woot::rock:http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/subsim_welcome_icon.png (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=313053&tab=myawards#aw_issue126):damn: Naturally I've sent a Conan a friendship request!:Kaleun_Goofy:Ever the diplomat :03:

[Commander Wallace]

[QUOTE=BL!TZKR!EG;2424763]Thank you for this friendly note!
I hope the report gives you an insight.
Pictures will follow by Catfish, Einar and Oscar

It certainly sounds like a worthwhile trip and I'm glad you got to go. Too bad the weather didn't cooperate . I'm sure it was a trip the others won't soon forget either. I will look for pictures from the trip and thanks for taking them.

Now I really want to see U- 995. :)

[Catfish]

Hello all!!
This was great but much too short, thanks so much to all who were able to come. We arrived late due to at least four different traffic jams all the way up to Kiel, accompanied by torrential rain falls now and then, for our entertainment. Was very nice going there and meet you, only downside was Penguin didn't make it.

So we were late and waited here and there, walked up to the Memorial checking all entrances but missing the vital one :rotfl2:
Schroeder then took the stairs up to the platform (57 meters) while i lazily guarded the elevator doors down there, but they must have been at the lower hall.. so Schroeder and me had some ..err.. challenges to find the rest, after all we only knew how Neal looked like, and the telephones seemed to have an all-day problem :haha:

Being able to access Subsim via phone and looking for pms we finally got the real telephone number of some "Conan" :hmmm:, and what can i say he is a real nice guy and did not even look or behave as barbarian as we first thought :yep::03:

All the best,
Catfish

Will upload the photos soon here, this evening :)

[Eichhörnchen]

I'm greatly looking forward to those :)

[ivanov.ruslan]

Congratulated for the great meeting :up:

[Schroeder]

Schroeder then took the stairs up to the platform (57 meters) while i lazily guarded the elevator doors down there, but they must have been at the lower hall..
I nearly blacked out half way through (that was because of the high altitude and not me being a couch potato of course:stare:) but I managed to climb the whole thing just to find nobody on the platforms...:wah:

[Catfish]

Hi again,

will place only some photos up here. Photobucket is soo slow.. but then it's free. Currently looking for another online picture reservoir..
Will be easier to put it on Box/Dropbox, and post the link, so only a few here.
And will not bore you with photos of the subs' interior, please look for those via the later dropbox link.
Regarding the captions please bear with me, maybe i misunderstood a few things :oops:


The memorial at Laboe:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9284_zpspcnlvfok.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9284_zpspcnlvfok.jpg.html)


The boat:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9270_zpsrpcf6oig.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9270_zpsrpcf6oig.jpg.html)


Bernhard? Schroeder??

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9283_2_zpsfqfjklql.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9283_2_zpsfqfjklql.jpg.html)


The crew:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9280_zpsqxwyyihq.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9280_zpsqxwyyihq.jpg.html)


Some of the crew with Kaleun Paul (what was his last name?), handing out U-boat equipment for the mission :03::
He is an Oberleutnant in the Bundesmarine, and among other tasks, commanded to a 212A boat.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9276_zpskecfv2xq.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9276_zpskecfv2xq.jpg.html)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9275_zps7aoybrpx.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9275_zps7aoybrpx.jpg.html)


Paul or Neal? had reserved a special suite in the "Admiral Scheer" restaurant, which otherwise was exclusively used by members of the "Marinebund" or veterans of the KM. Again thanks for all this! :up:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9277_zpslac5okvo.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9277_zpslac5okvo.jpg.html)


Conan in the control room:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9313_zpsqbjotkut.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9313_zpsqbjotkut.jpg.html)


Mouthpieces of speaking tubes, left for Doenitz, middle for Blitzkrieg, right for Neal :03:
Blitzkrieg submitted a loud "Alaaarm Tauchen!!!" via his phone through one of the mouthpieces, we can only imagine what the visitors in the rear quarters thought :haha:
I also have a "ping" ringtone on my phone and was called by the wife right in the control room, it was all very crazy :cool:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9312_zps6b3zsrtk.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9312_zps6b3zsrtk.jpg.html)


Prepare for dive: Both Skvader developers at the diveplane controls:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9309_zpsf9hloqbc.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9309_zpsf9hloqbc.jpg.html)


Dan (one of the SH3/4/5 developers) and Blitzkrieg at the observation scope

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9304_zpsiczmg1qi.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9304_zpsiczmg1qi.jpg.html)


Conan at the helm, turning his back on the controls..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9303_zpsavgiq48q.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9303_zpsavgiq48q.jpg.html)

Neal explains our course:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9296_zpsqmsxff6s.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9296_zpsqmsxff6s.jpg.html)

Neal and Dan have different opinions regarding our destination..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9298_zpsz1ijgcrf.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9298_zpsz1ijgcrf.jpg.html)

But then Dan seems to be enlightened by Neal's proposal:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9297_zpsfimgxbe7.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9297_zpsfimgxbe7.jpg.html)


Dan and "Deutschland!" in the control room, doing their thing

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9295_zpsk7xfrudo.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9295_zpsk7xfrudo.jpg.html)


This is where we left the boat

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9288_zpsq7rhsu8n.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9288_zpsq7rhsu8n.jpg.html)

:salute:

All the best,
"Catfish"

[mapuc]

It's like taking a trip down the memory lane.

Thanks for sharing those pictures.

And of course the stories from the meeting.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

[....

I was tying to locate Catfish, I had his phone number in my PMs, but could not log into my Neal account (password error), so I had to use the Conan account to get in touch with him.

[u crank]

Great pics Catfish. We'll take more if you got them.:up:

How many of those shirts does Neal have? :D:O:

[Jimbuna]

Names as to who is who would be of some benefit perhaps?

http://i.imgur.com/lYa2vOg.jpg

[fireftr18]

Looks like it was a great little meet. You all look like you had a good time. Funny no one visited the bilge. :haha:

:Kaleun_Salute:

[Jeff-Groves]

Names as to who is who would be of some benefit perhaps?

http://i.imgur.com/lYa2vOg.jpg

First up is Dan, (You think he's contemplating another Subsim?) Then A passer by maybe looking for a photo op?, Next is Blitzkrieg (Police in New York are still searching for those shoes!) Neal of course! Next 2 are members of U2 or possible Men in Black?

[Schroeder]

Names as to who is who would be of some benefit perhaps?

I'm the ugly one.... does that help you?:O:

On the left is Dan, second from left (the pale sand worm) is me, Blitzkrieg is next, then there is only one who can wear the infamous lighthouse shirt and you know who it is. The men in black are Oscar and Einar (spelling?) but I have to admit I forgot who is who of them.

[Catfish]

Thanks, will put some more here this evening, and the rest on Box with a link. There are not so much though, i take it Oscar and Einar made a lot and can post them also here or elsewhere (?).

As i said the meeting was much too short, would be nice to repeat this with some more time at my hands..

I already had a hard time to explain the "Untertriebszellen" thing :haha:, and for Dan, Einar and Oscar: this second glass plate at the obs scope is not for detecting water/fog in the scope (as i assumed), for this there are two other "valves", and a tap for draining. Have not found out what the second glass is for, maybe there was another part fitted, like a "Dreieckspeiler" (~triangle direction finder). Maybe we can ask Paul ?

Here is some more about the observation periscope, which had some different names in german, like
Beobachtungssehrohr
Luftzielsehrohr
Nachtsehrohr
(Sehrohr = Periscope)
The angle of the upper lens could be moved, so you could see planes directly above, also the viewing angle was wider than that of the attack periscope, which is why it also was used at night due to the better luminosity.
http://www.tvre.org/en/aiming-with-the-periscope
The observation periscope in the 995 is pof the ASR C/13 type.

Greetings,
cf

[Jimbuna]

Great pics Catfish. We'll take more if you got them.:up:

How many of those shirts does Neal have? :D:O:

Didn't notice this last night on first viewing but yep, that's the famous lighthouse shirt :yeah:

http://i.imgur.com/4QPdGbQ.jpg

[Jimbuna]

I'm the ugly one.... does that help you?:O:

On the left is Dan, second from left (the pale sand worm) is me, Blitzkrieg is next, then there is only one who can wear the infamous lighthouse shirt and you know who it is. The men in black are Oscar and Einar (spelling?) but I have to admit I forgot who is who of them.

Thank you sir, I have met both Dan and Neal in person and have seen previous pictures of Oscar and Einar but I'll unashamedly admit that it was you I was wanting to identify.

I still have fond memories of the discussions we have had on TS in previous years and always found you to be friendly and polite.

I have a list of people I intend meeting in person one day and you are one of those on that list.

I was talking to Neal the other day and said "I'm getting a sudden urge to drop everything and jump on a flight to Hamburg" and Neals response was predictable, "Do it".

I'm regretting not having done that now.

[Jimbuna]

First up is Dan, (You think he's contemplating another Subsim?) Then A passer by maybe looking for a photo op?, Next is Blitzkrieg (Police in New York are still searching for those shoes!) Neal of course! Next 2 are members of U2 or possible Men in Black?

Nowt changes ya crazy bugga :D

[Onkel Neal]

Great pics Catfish. We'll take more if you got them.:up:

How many of those shirts does Neal have? :D:O:

:D






As i said the meeting was much too short, would be nice to repeat this with some more time at my hands..



Yes, it was too short, I wish you could have attended the pub/kebab mess afterwards.

Thank you sir, I have met both Dan and Neal in person and have seen previous pictures of Oscar and Einar but I'll unashamedly admit that it was you I was wanting to identify.

I still have fond memories of the discussions we have had on TS in previous years and always found you to be friendly and polite.

I have a list of people I intend meeting in person one day and you are one of those on that list.

I was talking to Neal the other day and said "I'm getting a sudden urge to drop everything and jump on a flight to Hamburg" and Neals response was predictable, "Do it".

I'm regretting not having done that now.

I wish you had been there, brother. I think we would still be there now if you had.

[KaleutKiwi]

i found Neal and Blitz ;)

http://i63.tinypic.com/eu0cn8.jpg

[Onkel Neal]

We're missing Catfish, do we have a pic of him in the group? Maybe Oleks has one.., I will check

[Catfish]

^ And I hoped no one misses my picture: :88)
Unfortunately there should be one taken by Schroeder on the other camera, will look again this evening. Hmm, seems Oleks also escaped from the group photos.

Really a bunch of nice guys! Thanks again Neal for organizing, and all your work :up:. I hope your 9-hour-drive home went well. And apart from the other usual suspects, I would like to stay in contact with Dan, Oleks and Paul X., lots of questions, also regarding the journal. I think Neal has the info, or we read each other on Subsim.
Maybe we can create a four-man "crew of 2016", for Marulken. Or even better, several :cool:

[Schroeder]

^ And I hoped no one misses my picture: :88)
Unfortunately there should be one taken by Schroeder on the other camera, will look again this evening. Hmm, seems Oleks also escaped from the group photos.

I'm fairly certain I took one and since I failed to smuggle the camera back into my own car you should still be in possession of it.:O:


Really a bunch of nice guys!
What? After all I've done to you???:o
Got to try harder next time then.:shifty:


fun terminated:O:




I still have fond memories of the discussions we have had on TS in previous years and always found you to be friendly and polite.
I remember...you asked me about U-boot stuff and I sent you a "NewView" file for IL-2....I'm afraid my hearing has gone further south since then....:88)

[Jeff-Groves]

How many of those shirts does Neal have? :D:O:

He better have a few in a larger size!
He's starting to over whelm the old one!
:haha:

OK. 10 days in the brig?
:hmmm:
:03:

[Sailor Steve]

OK. 10 days in the brig?
I suppose, but why would we want to put Neal in the brig?

[Jeff-Groves]

I suppose, but why would we want to put Neal in the brig?
To keep him from the 'All You Can Eat' places?
:haha:

[Jeff-Groves]

Btw: Has anyone yet recognized Neal's similarity to Mel Gibson? :haha:


I do believe that was brought up at the 2008 Subsim meet in his house.
I do have to say Neal is ageing much better then Mel.
:D

[Catfish]

Hello again,
some more photos, the rest can be viewed or downloaded via the dropbox link at the end.


Once more the observation perisope down in the control room, we were wondering why there are two oculars.. anyone?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9318_zpsuqxkzzga.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9318_zpsuqxkzzga.jpg.html)


The "Weihnachtsbaum", or christmas tree. The black shaft at the left turns the antenna, when extended.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9316_zpsqjtqf9t5.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9316_zpsqjtqf9t5.jpg.html)


Engine compartment with view aft, intake and exhaust valves above:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9299_zpsc18msgfz.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9299_zpsc18msgfz.jpg.html)


Switching table for the starboard electric engine:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9293_zpsc2v28qwy.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9293_zpsc2v28qwy.jpg.html)


All other photos i made are here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4sra8zknp5apdrj/AADPi5X2gA9YxgUQLh2jLqzza?dl=0

Best wishes,
Catfish

[Onkel Neal]

Cathfish!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=9111

[Catfish]

^ I knew i forgot to delete something :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

^ I knew i forgot to delete something :hmmm:

Currently talking with Neal and I told him you look a little like u_crank :03:

[Onkel Neal]

Didn't notice this last night on first viewing but yep, that's the famous lighthouse shirt :yeah:

http://i.imgur.com/4QPdGbQ.jpg


I always wear the awesome lighthouse shirt for important events :)
http://www.subsim.com/articles/articl12.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I was talking to Neal the other day and said "I'm getting a sudden urge to drop everything and jump on a flight to Hamburg" and Neals response was predictable, "Do it".

I'm regretting not having done that now.

I wish you had been there, brother. I think we would still be there now if you had.

Too right mate, too right :03:

[Aktungbby]

Once more the observation perisope down in the control room, we were wondering why there are two oculars.. anyone?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/IMG_9318_zpsuqxkzzga.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/IMG_9318_zpsuqxkzzga.jpg.html)














From your own site: http://www.tvre.org/en/aiming-with-the-periscope (http://www.tvre.org/en/aiming-with-the-periscope):hmmm:
In the control room of the U 995 (located in the Laboe type VIIC U-Boat converted to museum-ship) is installed the type ASR C/13 (Angriff-Sehrohr) periscope. This is post-war periscope designed by Zeiss, based on the war-time type ASR C/6 periscope, which was designed for type XXIII U-Boats. This periscope consisted of the ocular box of type NLSR C/9 night periscope and periscope head of the type StaS C/2 attack periscope. The ocular box of the type NLSR C/9 night periscope was fitted with additional optical system (kind of telescope), which made possible reading of the bearing while looking through the periscope. The bearing scale was visible in the upper part of the view field. This optical system consisted of prisms and lens, and transmitted the view of the bearing scale through the slit in the periscope collar to the ocular box interior. Type ASR C/13 periscope which can be seen in the U 995 control room comes most likely from the U-Hai or U-Hecht (ex U 2365 and U 2367 respectively) and was installed on U 995 in the time when (most likely) she was converted to the museum-ship (during her service in the Royal Norwegian Navy as KMN Kaura, in the control room was installed the original type NLSR C/9 periscope).
The ocular box of the type ASR C/13 periscope is simplified version of the type NLSR C/9 periscope ocular box. It is slightly smaller, however the layout of the oculars, knobs and levers is the same. The ocular box is not fitted with the optical system for showing the bearing scale in the view field (the system was probably abandoned to make the manufacture simpler, faster and cheaper). The current periscope bearing is indicated by indication line, engraved on the periscope tube. It points the current bearing at the fixed azimuth circle. That's why type ASR C/9 periscope is fitted with only one azimuth circle, with 180° mark directed toward to the bow (please note, that azimuth circle in the U 995 control room is not properly set relative to the U-Boat longitudinal line). Over the fixed azimuth circle, the deflection angle ring is located, which is used in the same way as in case of previously described periscopes.

:hmmm: Backside view http://www.tvre.org/images/multithumb_thumbs/b_600_0_16777215_00_images_16_fot_11.jpghttp://www.tvre.org/images/multithumb_thumbs/b_600_0_16777215_00_images_16_rys_03.jpgThe cross-section of the type NLSR C/9 periscope ocular box (the optical system for transmitting bearing scale is visible)

[Eichhörnchen]

This is the best thread... wish I'd been there too :) Maybe next time. Nice to finally see your picture, Catfish :up: (and Schroeder)

[Catfish]

^ i will translate it as soon as i get to my Enigma at home :03:
Has it the 4-cylinder naval array? :hmmm:
Bl!tzkrieg is unbelievable, in a positive way :haha::up:

[Catfish]

From your own site: http://www.tvre.org/en/aiming-with-the-periscope (http://www.tvre.org/en/aiming-with-the-periscope):hmmm:

From the side i posted, eh? Well i read it, but i still thought it was something else. But it isn't :haha:
I thought there was a kind of rectangular "box" over both oculars, seems i looked at the wrong side :o :huh: :oops: :/\\!! :dead:
Thanks for posting this once more, so Einar and Oscar will finally know what it is for.


Does Dan "Elanaiba" read this, too? I am trying to find out where the switches for the clutches of the electric engines are, we both did not find it. But we will.

German boats were quite simple and not Diesel-electric, like the US ones.
So the Diesels had to be installed inline with the propshafts, not scattered all over the place and just feeding the batteries, driving the boat.

Basically it is like with all old "Tauchboote" with Diesel propulsion, you use the Diesel engines for running surfaced, and the electric ones for running submerged. You charge the batteries with the Diesels.
In the 'normal' german boats the electric engines also served as generators, so you did not need additional dynamoes or alternators (not in the IXd1/2/42 and XXI/XXIII types though, they were already different).

You could also use all kinds of combinations. The whole layout is quite simple, but versatile and practical, there are clutches to use and combine all components independently:

- You could run the Diesels alone, coupled straight through the propshafts for moving the boat surfaced (or submerged with a snorkel)
- ^ coupling the electric engines in generator mode to the propshafts driven by the Diesels, thus charging the batteries but reducing overall speed a bit
- Run both Diesels and couple the electric engines on the propshafts driving them directly together with the Diesels, adding a few knots to overall speed, but draining the batteries fast
- Uncouple the rear propshafts with the propellers, switch electric engines to generator mode and couple them to the parts of the propshafts driven by the Diesels (dead in the water then)
- Use one Diesel to drive the boat and the other for charging
- Use one Diesel for running, while maintining/repairing the other Diesel, this way you can either:
a) charge the batteries by driving the electric engines in generator mode coupled to the propshaft driven by the one Diesel
b) charge the batteries by coupling the electric engine in generator mode, of the stopped Diesel side, to the moving propshaft, driven by the propeller moving through the water, Diesel clutch on this side is then uncoupled
or both a) and b)

Does that make sense? Anyway we were looking where all the switches and clutches were :yep:

[Onkel Neal]

That does make sense. :yep:

Do you remember the discussion we were having about the ballast tanks?

I am still trying to find online documentation that explains the saddle tanks/main ballast tanks/negative tank.



Cutaway illustration (http://militaryhistory.x10.mx/shippictures/warshippictures/articles/Type%20VII%20cutaway.jpg)

Illustrations never show the saddle tanks in detail. But this one shows 81 - Main immersion tank and 93 - Main fuel tank

and this illustration (http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570/U-570GeneralPlanDavidTaylorHR.htm)shows the MB#3 below the control room, like the illustration outside of U-995. On the third section, it lists "MB and RFO Tank 2 Port", is that inside the saddle bulges? I think you were saying that the saddle tanks are one long "tank" with baffles to separate the sections, is that right? So the MB2 and MB4 are contained inside the saddle bulges...?

And of course it shows MB#5 in the center bow, which I would assume is flooded before the stern tank to get the bow down.

There is a "Neg.Buoyancy Tank Port". If that is the "negative" tank (or tanks, one on each side I suppose), that sure seems like a small tank to get you down quickly.

I'm tempted to build a time machine just to go back and answer these questions.

[Catfish]

^ I'd come with your time machine, but minus the depth charges please :D

"Untertriebszellen" would be something like negative buoyancy cells, maybe to break the surface energy (but i doubt this plays a major role), but in any case to minimise the diving time.

Afaik a usual VII type boat had two of those, located near (left and right of the ballast tank 3, or main ballast tank) the control room, at the center of gravity of the boat. They were operated together, though Werner in his "Iron coffins" speaks about flooding the "fore part" only(?), to increase the diving angle faster in case of a dive. This may be wrong though, Werner's book is more of a novel than a real report, and has been criticized for a lot of wrong technical descriptions. The man "Werner" seems to have never existed, though the man using this pseudonym knew "a bit" about U-boats.

As soon as the U.-cells are flooded, the boat is running with closed upper venting valves, to be able to blow them asap after diving. In case they cannot be blown immediately after the sail submerging, the boat is in danger to "fall through" and get too deep, out of control.


From the "Tauchvorschrift für Unterseeboote":

Untertriebszellen

131. Bei Booten mit Untertriebszellen wird wie folgt verfahren: Die Untertriebszellen werden, wenn das Boot alarmtauchklar ist, über Wasser gefüllt gefahren, so daß dem Boot ein der Größe der Zellen entsprechender Untertrieb gegeben ist. Nach der Ausführung des Befehls „Fluten“ und merklicher Falltendenz werden die Untertriebszellen auf den Befehl des L.I. „Ausdrücken“ ausgedrückt.

(131. If the boat has negative buoyancy cells, the procedures are as follows: The U.-cells are being flooded when the boat is running surfaced, and in "ready to submerge" state (edit: alarmtauchklar=all men at diving positions, boat prepared for emergency dive - so .. usual condition in enemy waters), so that there is an appropriate negative buoyancy. After execution of the order "Fluten" (edit: flood the tanks!) and a perceptible tendency of falling, the cells are being blown out by order of the LI (Leitender Ingenieur).

Der beste Zeitpunkt des Ausdrückens für mittlere Boote ist eine Tiefe von etwa 8 bis 10 m, für große Boote eine Tiefe von 10 bis 12 m. Erfahrungsgemäß beruht die Wirkung der Untertriebszellen in erster Linie im schnelleren Durchbrechen durch die Wasseroberfläche beim Tauchen. Da die schnelle Erreichung großer Tiefen fast ausschließlich von der Lastigkeit und der Fahrtstufe abhängig ist (etwa 25 bis 30°, 2 x G.F.), ist es falsch, die Untertriebszellen auf größerer Tiefe auszudrücken, da der äußerst geringe Vorteil in keinem Verhältnis zu der Gefahr steht, in die das Boot in einem solchen Falle geraten kann. Insbesondere steigen der Luftverbrauch und die Ausdrückdauer ganz erheblich.

(The best time for the blowing ballast of boats of middle size is a depth of 8-10 meters, for big boats a depth of 10-12 meters.
From experience the essential effect of the U.-cells is one of breaking through the water surface during a dive. Because the reaching of greater depths is almost entirely dependent of angle and speed (ca. 25 to 30°, 2x all ahead) it is wrong to blow them out at greater depth, because the advantage would not be in due proportion to the danger, the boat will be in. Especially wastage of air and the time of the blowing ballast increase badly.)

132. L.I.: „Ausdrücken“.

Daraufhin wird das Ventil „Ausdrücken Untertriebszellen“ aufgerissen und mit höchstmöglichem Druck (20 bis 30 at) ausgedrückt. [...]


(132. LI: "Blow ballast".
With this order the "Blow U.-cell" valve will be torn open, and be blown out by the utmost pressure (20-30 at). [...]

The general procedure was to have the U.-cells being fully blown at 19 meters of depth.

From the plan you posted you can see the the one big main air induction tube coming from the conning tower and ending at the centered valve in the engine room above our heads, which had to be closed when diving. The two smaller wheels near it at the sides were for the closing/opening of the two exhausts, which had to be thoroughly maintaind for closing properly. Diesel exhausts and carbon used to build up on the valve surfaces, so they had to be sanded and polished regularly. I guess we spoke about that too, but.. :hmmm:

All the best,
CF

[Onkel Neal]

Afaik a usual VII type boat had two of those, located near (left and right of the ballast tank 3, or main ballast tank) the control room, at the center of gravity of the boat. They were operated together, though Werner in his "Iron coffins" speaks about flooding the "fore part" only(?), to increase the diving angle faster in case of a dive. This may be wrong though, Werner's book is more of a novel than a real report, and has been criticized for a lot of wrong technical descriptions. The man "Werner" seems to have never existed, though the man using this pseudonym knew "a bit" about U-boats.


Wait, what? You're saying Herbert Werner was not a real captain? :o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Werner

[Catfish]

Wait, what? You're saying Herbert Werner was not a real captain? :o

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Werner

Umm, well, i do now believe he really was a U-boat-'Kommandant', however i was not so sure some time ago, and you, too:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//archive/index.php/t-167387.html
:hmmm::D

Looking at this thread of a bygone time, i wonder where a lot of those subsim members are hiding now :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Here is some more information:
http://www.uboat.net/men/werner_herbert.htm

Ships hit by Herbert A. Werner

No entries found.

[Aktungbby]

Ships hit by Herbert A. Werner
No entries found. ^Actually as stated, no ships were hit by u-boats under Werner's command- U-415 & U-953. However in his service aboard U-230 as second officer, he probably hit the only one merchant Egyptian....sunk on patrol 7MAR1943 at 02.10 hrs. U-230 attacked the convoy SC-121 (http://uboat.net/ops/convoys/convoys.php?convoy=SC-121) south-southeast of Cape Farewell and torpedoed the Egyptian. Siegmann thought that his victim sank and attacked the convoy again at 09.25 hours. He claimed the sinking of another ship with 5000 tons in the former position of the Steam Merchnt Egyptian, but it seems that both attacks were carried out on the same ship. The master, 36 crew, and nine gunners were lost. http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/crews/ship2723.html (http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/crews/ship2723.html)
Werner followed Commander Siegmann along with the crew to a U-boat familiarization (Baubelehrung) for a new boat in Oct and on 24 Oct 1942 they commissioned the new Type VIIC boat U-230 (http://uboat.net/boats/u230.htm) at Kiel.
On U-230 (http://uboat.net/boats/u230.htm) as First Watch Officer (1WO) young Ltn. Herbert A. Werner served on the boat for 171 days at sea during 4 patrols from Feb to Dec 1943. They only sank one small ship of 2,868 tons - as by this time the U-boats had become the hunted.

http://uboat.net/ops/convoys/convoys.php?convoy=SC-121 (http://uboat.net/ops/convoys/convoys.php?convoy=SC-121) In the running wolfpack battle in which 10 merchants and one U-boat were sunk: Before dark a sharp course change is ordered in an attempt to shake off the boats but without result:U-566 (http://uboat.net/boats/u566.htm) and U-230 (http://uboat.net/boats/u230.htm) make contact and the latter sinks one ship in the night. This event goes unnoticed in the heavy gale and the rescue ship is not warned. AS 1WO in a heavy gale night attack which had to have been a surface attack...imho First Watch officer: The second in command. He shadowed the CO closely so that he could take command if the CO fell ill or was killed in battle. His other responsibilities included the boat’s weapons systems and conducting torpedo aiming during surface attacks. Thus, of the two attacks, Werner likely had to have gotten one of the hits at least. The second attack in daylight (9 gunners?) is naturally anyone's guess and was probably not a surface attack (0925) which might account for Seigmann's ID confusion and mistated tonnage.:hmmm:

[Catfish]

^ I think i read (ahem lol, the friend of a cousin of the wife's father-in-law...) somewhere that Werner sank two ships, however it is possible he had served on other boats which' captains did sink other/more ships, or he did it in the position as a 1. WO or something on those boats.

As said before i believe he was real, however his book is not to be taken literally, when it comes to events he himself experienced as a commander. It is a (good) mix of real events, but he probably did not live through all of them himself. It is a novel, but (i still think) quite a good one. A lot of his observations and technical details are true.

edit Aktung how are you still awake :o :haha:

[Aktungbby]

edit Aktung how are you still awake :o :haha: And that on top of two nine-hour work days and 400 miles of driving!
:rock:(old people on Aracept and French Roast coffee only need four hours of rest! ):O: As said before i believe he was real, however his book is not to be taken literally, when it comes to events he himself experienced as a commander. It is a (good) mix of real events, but he probably did not live through all of them himself. It is a novel, but (i still think) quite a good one. A lot of his observations and technical details are true.
What you have expressed is called: poetic license! He's trying to make money and it was an enjoyable read!:know:

[Onkel Neal]

Umm, well, i do now believe he really was a U-boat-'Kommandant', however i was not so sure some time ago, and you, too:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//archive/index.php/t-167387.html
:hmmm::D

Looking at this thread of a bygone time, i wonder where a lot of those subsim members are hiding now :hmmm:

Oh, that must have been an earlier version of Neal, I need to go back and brush up on his positions. :oops:

Well, I never doubted he was a real guy, that's what made me jump when I saw your post.

[elanaiba]

Once more the observation perisope down in the control room, we were wondering why there are two oculars.. anyone?


Hey guys! Very nice to meet you all - and of course to see U995 again :) I was especially happy to see the attention the HMS Marulken devs paid to everything! Oscar (Oskar?) asked in-depth questions and clearly had the drive to truly understand things, the kind of drive I see in the best technical oriented game designers! I think the future is bright :)

I'll post my pics too in a while, though this time I was not really shooting much and I was careless with the pics :(

Regarding the periscope question, I found something interesting in the British "Report on HMS Graph" (captured U570) - http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570/U-570BritishReport.htm - page 32

Zeiss Periscope No. 2523 (Watchkeeping Periscope)

Optical Data

Optical length 7 m. 55.

Main eyepiece:
Magnifications 6.1 and 1.54.
Angular field
High power
7° 15' vertical.
8° 46' horizontal.
Low power
29° 2' vertical.
36° 38' horizontal.
Exit pupil 7.0 mms.
Eye clearance 1.5 in.

Second eyepiece:
Angular field
High power 7° 3' circular.
Low power 28° 36' circular.
Eye clearance 0/75"
Elevation movement to 90°
Depression movement to 10°

So, as far as I read, one of the eyepieces presents a round image that can be raised up/down to check the sky, and the other one presents a ellipsoid image that is fixed?!

I haven't looked closely but think this might be of interest: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570/U-570Plate27.htm

Dan

[Catfish]

[...] Regarding the periscope question, I found something interesting in the British "Report on HMS Graph" (captured U570) - http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570/U-570BritishReport.htm - page 32 Dan

Thanks Dan !


I think (not sure!) it is what Aktungbby posted from my own :oops: link:

"The ocular box of the type NLSR C/9 night periscope was fitted with additional optical system (kind of telescope), which made possible reading of the bearing while looking through the periscope. The bearing scale was visible in the upper part of the view field. This optical system consisted of prisms and lens, and transmitted the view of the bearing scale through the slit in the periscope collar to the ocular box interior. Type ASR C/13 periscope which can be seen in the U 995 control room comes most likely from the U-Hai or U-Hecht (ex U 2365 and U 2367 respectively) and was installed on U 995 in the time when (most likely) she was converted to the museum-ship (during her service in the Royal Norwegian Navy as KMN Kaura, in the control room was installed the original type NLSR C/9 periscope).

The ocular box of the type ASR C/13 periscope is simplified version of the type NLSR C/9 periscope ocular box. It is slightly smaller, however the layout of the oculars, knobs and levers is the same. The ocular box is not fitted with the optical system for showing the bearing scale in the view field (the system was probably abandoned to make the manufacture simpler, faster and cheaper). The current periscope bearing is indicated by indication line, engraved on the periscope tube. It points the current bearing at the fixed azimuth circle. That's why type ASR C/9 periscope is fitted with only one azimuth circle, with 180° mark directed toward to the bow (please note, that azimuth circle in the U 995 control room is not properly set relative to the U-Boat longitudinal line). Over the fixed azimuth circle, the deflection angle ring is located, which is used in the same way as in case of previously described periscopes."

The layout can be seen in a cross section here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2425110&postcount=100

[Catfish]

Just found that, on their site:

"All Type VIIs were attack boats with a single-hull design – which is to say the pressure hull is also the outer hull (wrong, all were two-hull-boats). To withstand sea water pressure up to a crush depth of 250 meters, the pressure hull was further reinforced with strengthening steel ribs inside the hull (? i think those rings were outside of the inner pressure hull?). Ballast was provided by several ballast tanks situated internally and externally of the pressure hull. The main tank was just below the control room, inside the pressure hull. Outside the pressure hull, external tanks were fitted at the bow and stern. These tanks however did not provide sufficient capacity, so additional saddle tanks were fitted to the sides of the hull. Diesel fuel tanks were situated inside the pressure hull (also, but not only - fuel saddle tanks) to avoid leakages during a depth charge attack. The earliest variants were also fitted with serrated net cutters on the bow, a specification carried over from World War 1 boats, but these were quickly discontinued"

It really takes some effort to put so many mistakes into one paragraph :doh:

[Catfish]

70=ENI-GMA

JGFSS UKNI RXDO TIWT UPOP LZBQ ZWXQ IFOR AQTS MCIN LGZH LEXR CIFW VUGQ CKOP TVNS GTFTK

Hmm, can't get that to work on my virtual "Enigma".
4 cylinders? What's that "70" for?
Will have to read this manual again :hmmm:

[Catfish]

Hallo Bl!tz,
danke, werde erst am WE dazu kommen, aber vielen Dank schonmal! :salute:
Als nächstes dann mal SH3 und 5 installieren..

Do you have to use the SH vanilla version for DEF, or can it be used with mods. I guess since all should have the same conditions using the special *.exe file, you need a certain version using the same "status" for all (?)

Danke und viele Gruesse,
U-Katze :O:

edit: wie lange bist Du noch in D.?

[CORONER]

Any more Fotos from this meeting?

I have now registered but do not see more than before.

[Jimbuna]

Any more Fotos from this meeting?

I have now registered but do not see more than before.

Try sending a PM to elanaiba, Catfish or Schroeder.

Welcome to SubSim :sunny:

[Catfish]

@ Elanaiba,
have found a photo with a crewmember actuating the clutch for coupling the electric engines to the propshaft, but it's pretty bad (it is from one of Buchheim's three photo books). It is a simple hand wheel..

[Aktungbby]

@ Elanaiba,
have found a photo with a crewmember actuating the clutch for coupling the electric engines to the propshaft, but it's pretty bad (it is from one of Buchheim's three photo books). It is a simple hand wheel..

[QUOTE]A chief mechanician prisoner, claiming expert knowledge of Diesels, gave the following explanation of the term "Diesel-Electric." "Diesel-Electric" propulsion is used, when it is desired to put one Diesel out of action for repairs or other reasons, and it is nevertheless required to turn both screws. The electric motors are dual-purpose motors. They can be used either as dynamos or as generators as required. The switching over from one use to the other is done by means of a switchboard and a series of resistances. The whole procedure takes but a few seconds. If it is required, for example, to stop the port Diesel and keep under way on the other Diesel, the starboard generator is started from the batteries. The compression cocks of the starboard Diesel are opened, the generator slowed down and the clutch slowly let in, thus turning the Diesel engine. The cocks are then shut and the Diesel will run under its own power. The dynamo is then switched off and the speed of the Diesel increased so that the starboard generator produces enough electricity to drive the port dynamo. The electricity produced is led through the batteries to prevent the current fluctuating. The following table, found among captured documents, would therefore, indicate that if one Diesel is turning at 285 revs. at slow speed and the electric motor is coupled with it, the number of revs. is reduced to 240; the electricity produced is sufficient to turn the other screw at 155 revs. The loss in revolutions is due to the loss of power in the process of conversion. The differences in speed between port and starboard propellers is counteracted by the rudder. http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570/U-570INT.htm (http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570/U-570INT.htm) Below is revs differential 'twixt diesel and electric 'clutched' revs: .
Revs.
Speed in Knots.
Revs.
Speed in Knots.
Speed in Knots.
Diesel Revs.
Electric Motors Revs.
http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570/BDUTableDividerH.jpg
Slow 285
10
114
3
7.5
240
155
Half Speed 350
12
167
4.5
9
285
195
Three-fifth speed 390
14
220
6
10
330
215
Four-fifth speed 460
16.5
275
7.5
11
360
240

[Catfish]

^ Nice!
Not as Diesel-electric as in the US fleet subs, but the first time i read about this, and in detail!

Should post this in the Wolfpack forum, so they can build this sim right! :)
But maybe a bit too complicated to simulate all this :hmmm:

What should be simluated though is, while both Diesels running full ahead and both driving the generators (= both electric engines switched to generator/dynamo mode and coupled to the propshaft), the overall speed should change from say 18 knots to a bit less, but not decreasing the overall speed so much as it has been simulated in all those other sims!

Running full ahead while charging the batteries should still be good for some 15 knots!

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Try sending a PM to elanaiba, Catfish or Schroeder.

Welcome to SubSim :sunny:thank you. Though I don't believe they would answer me. They don't know me.

[Jimbuna]

thank you. Though I don't believe they would answer me. They don't know me.

On the contrary, I think you'll find they are quite amiable gentlemen.