il2 sturmovik

[cobalt]

I just ordered il2 today and was wondering a little about it. All I know is that its supposably pretty good and has a good modding community. Is there any big mods that are a "must have" such as GWX is to sh3? And whats the campaign mode like if you were playing as a german officer. Do you start in the beginning on the war and does it end at the end with Germany untimately losing?

Thanks in advance

[Kapitan_Phillips]

*fanfare*

"IL2 isnt really moddable. Been playing it from the first game "IL2-Sturmovik". Which version you did order? The 'IL2-Sturmovik' or something else? IL2: 1946 is the latest and contains every payware official addons, so I'd recommend you order that

From the pile of potatoes with love,
Dowly"

[cobalt]

I got the 1946 edition

[ajrimmer42]

I downloaded a free trial of IL-2 Sturmovik (the first game) and thought it was great. I am also thinking about getting 1946, mainly because there are about 296 flyable aircraft! And the game is about 2947 times better than the MS Combat Flight Sim series lol. Let us know if it's worth it!

[Morts]

I downloaded a free trial of IL-2 Sturmovik (the first game) and thought it was great. I am also thinking about getting 1946, mainly because there are about 296 flyable aircraft! And the game is about 2947 times better than the MS Combat Flight Sim series lol. Let us know if it's worth it!

296 ? isnt it around 229* or something ?

[ajrimmer42]

I now have IL-2 1946! and it's very good, in fact it's phenominaly good. It's not very clear how many planes there actually are (there's a lot!) but you get even more with the patches ubi are releasing.:D

[cobalt]

Is it like CFS3 and you can change the outcome of the war? I hated that about cfs3

[joea]

Is it like CFS3 and you can change the outcome of the war? I hated that about cfs3

No, the built-in campaign generator can be affected but in a small way by your actions...scripted (a few are included as well) campaigns not at all.

[cobalt]

nice. glad to hear that. Is there any modding sites or community sites like subsim for il2?

[CCIP]

Not really, though you should check out the official ubi forums for it. IL-2 is not moddable per se, BUT you can find a lot of very good skins for it, along with some very nice user-made scripted campaigns. Otherwise most of the IL-2 data is closed, which means you'll find nothing like realism mods, add-on units or new maps, because they don't exist.

If you plan to play random/dynamic campaigns, I highly suggest you get IL2DCG however, a sort of SHIII Commander of IL-2 campaign generation (as in, a real must-have):

http://www.lowengrin.com/news.php

[XabbaRus]

I have dbg and having a hard time with it. Also I can't get anyone to authorize me for the dcg forums

I guess i will get IL2 1946 for bday

[Tikigod]

Best thing that happened to IL2 is the hyperlobby client that connects everyone to coop, online campaigns, and join-in-progress team on team missions.

You can download it here:
http://hyperfighter.sk/

Other than that the only modding you can do is collect and replace aircraft and pilot skins.

Sites with skins:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=frm&s=400102&f=45410763
http://www.1java.org (http://www.1java.org/)
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/
http://www.flying-legends.net/
http://members.cox.net/cx570578a/_htmdir/_HomePg.html
http://www.cptfarrels.com/
http://www.gavca.com/
http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/
http://www.nnavirex.com/
http://www.il2-skins.de/index.html
http://zargos-skins.checksix-fr.com/home_gb.htm
http://www.rowlinson.ca/il2/FB_Skins.shtml
http://il2skins.free.fr/
http://personal.telefonica.terra.es...asasa/index.htm (http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/joseangelsasasa/index.htm)
www.freewebs.com/il2skins (http://www.freewebs.com/il2skins)
www.warwingsart.com (http://www.warwingsart.com/)
http://www.warcry.hu/
http://www.vpmedia.hu/il2/
http://rafiger.de/
http://sturmoajosse.free.fr/
http://www.robert-stuart.me.uk/il2/downloads/
http://www.theafsg.com/
http://www.netwings.org/library/For...ns/index-3.html
http://www.canons-skins.com/
http://www.777avg.com/skins/
http://pavlac.free.fr/
http://www.checksix-fr.com/
http://foobarskins.mexxoft.com?lan=en (http://foobarskins.mexxoft.com/?lan=en)
http://www.web-wings.co.uk/chrisbroad/VWA/
http://www.virtualwarbirdart.co.uk/

Instructional Videos on how to high-altitude level bomb, dive bomb, skip bomb, and avoid AA defenses.
http://www.darts-page.com/

Other Utilities I use:
http://www.uberdemon.com/ (Single and Multiplayer Mission Generator)
http://www.lowengrin.com (Single and Multiplayer Campaign Generator)
IL2 Manager (for tweaking the game)
Hardball's Aircraft Viewer (to compare stats of one plane with another)
IL2 Stab (for tweaking the game)

This is currently the popular site for updated downloads:
http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&c=1

[cobalt]

this game is beautiful on perfect settings. Thanks for the tips guys, im gonna spend the next couple days learning this. Whooo, what a curve for someone who knows so little about aviation

[CCIP]

Ooh, then you chose a nice place to start :up:

IL-2 is very intuitive, I'm sure you'll be flying high and landing upright in no time :yep:

[Biggles]

http://www.mission4today.com/

there you go, on that site you can download many cool stuff, like campaigns, and skins etc. I'll link to some of my favourites:

http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=1856
Campaign where you fly as a pilot of the Peruvian airforce.

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=309
Campaign where you play as an english fighter pilot at Malta (Map:Okinawa)

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=116
This one is very good. A campaign where you fly as an greek fighter pilot during the italian invasion, and then later the german invasion.

[SmokinTep]

Wait till you try and land on a carrier.

[Dowly]

Wait till you try and land on a carrier.

In a heavy storm. ;)

[CCIP]

Wait till you try and land on a carrier.
In a heavy storm. ;)
While flying a heavy bomber :88)

[Dowly]

Wait till you try and land on a carrier.
In a heavy storm. ;) While flying a heavy bomber :88)
Amen. :rotfl:

[Biggles]

I can't even start....:lol:

[CCIP]

Well the TB3 is actually easy to land on a carrier :p

(maybe cause the carrier moves at pretty close to that pig's average flight speed)

[Dowly]

I can't even start....:lol:

What's the hard part in it? :88)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXt7wbFxSGI

[danlisa]

I can't even start....:lol:
What's the hard part in it? :88)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXt7wbFxSGI

Dowly, is that with a full loadout of bombs??? Everytime I try to take off with a loaded bomber I just nose dive into the sea.:88) Well, I don't need to tell you that.;)

[HunterICX]

Wait till you try and land on a carrier.
In a heavy storm. ;) While flying a heavy bomber :88)
Amen. :rotfl:

ah comon thats easy,

if you take away the fact that you will lose 1 wing, your gear is gone and if a coin rolls to the front of the cockpit you will be swimming in the ocean.

then I,m the man you need :rock:

Call 555-gotohell

and I will be your bomber pilot :rotfl:

(just make sure you got a good health insurance, and maybe sign your testimony pre-flight)

[Dowly]

I can't even start....:lol:
What's the hard part in it? :88)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXt7wbFxSGI
Dowly, is that with a full loadout of bombs??? Everytime I try to take off with a loaded bomber I just nose dive into the sea.:88) Well, I don't need to tell you that.;)

Nope, default loadout.

[HunterICX]

:arrgh!: Harrrr, It makes me bomber hungry dowly

wanna fly tonight ?!
You get on ur carrier toy and we will sink it Whuhahahahaha

[CCIP]

Somehow the thought of "HunterICX" and "carrier landing on a bomber" in the same sentence scares me :doh:

[HunterICX]

Somehow the thought of "HunterICX" and "carrier landing on a bomber" in the same sentence scares me :doh:


:smug: I,m an expert in crashlanding :rotfl: no one beats me in that

I landed my B-25 once and the only thing that remained was the bodywork

Winges, Engines, Tail wings and gears where missing, but my crew survived it :up:

[robbo180265]

I can't even start....:lol:

What's the hard part in it? :88)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXt7wbFxSGI

:rotfl: The more I see of you Dowly, the more I like:up:

[Boris]

Got myself an x52 pro with pedals and a trackir 4, so I can finally get back into flight simming!

[XabbaRus]

GEtting IL2 1946 for my bday up till then I will be playing IL-2 FB. One question. I thought the Bf-110 was playable but must be with the later stuff.

Also the DC forums, anyone succeed in registering?

[Boris]

GEtting IL2 1946 for my bday up till then I will be playing IL-2 FB. One question. I thought the Bf-110 was playable but must be with the later stuff.

Also the DC forums, anyone succeed in registering?

Yeah, I think the BF-110 might have been added in the aces expansion pack.

[CCIP]

Ah that's what it was. I was about to say how I was puzzled that you didn't have it, but then I bought FB and Aces at the same time. That must be it.

I may join you folks in 1946 sometime. Just don't have the time for it lately. :)

[HunterICX]

Ah that's what it was. I was about to say how I was puzzled that you didn't have it, but then I bought FB and Aces at the same time. That must be it.

I may join you folks in 1946 sometime. Just don't have the time for it lately. :)

well,Kratos, Dowly, me and Dan are regular flyers during the week, the only issue is we have only maybe 1 hour of time diference between the 3 of us
not bad thought as it easy to spot

we mostly play online around 22.00 GMT + 1
Sometimes I host, or we join the UK dedicated 1,2 or 3

Q: if its 2200GMT +1 our time, what time is at your place CCIP?

[CCIP]

Ah that's what it was. I was about to say how I was puzzled that you didn't have it, but then I bought FB and Aces at the same time. That must be it.

I may join you folks in 1946 sometime. Just don't have the time for it lately. :)
well,Kratos, Dowly, me and Dan are regular flyers during the week, the only issue is we have only maybe 1 hour of time diference between the 3 of us
not bad thought as it easy to spot

we mostly play online around 22.00 GMT + 1
Sometimes I host, or we join the UK dedicated 1,2 or 3

Q: if its 2200GMT +1 our time, what time is at your place CCIP?
2200GMT = 1600 my time, not a real problem :)
Yea, I will see if I decide to get on board there this week!

(used to be a regular UK dedicated flyer up until about February by the way :p)

[XabbaRus]

OK got IL-2 1946 First thing I did was try to takeoff off a carrier.

How the hell? Trying to find good links to tutorials. Not much in the documentation Any help?

[danlisa]

OK got IL-2 1946 First thing I did was try to takeoff off a carrier.

How the hell? Trying to find good links to tutorials. Not much in the documentation Any help?

http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base:up:

[HunterICX]

OK got IL-2 1946 First thing I did was try to takeoff off a carrier.

How the hell? Trying to find good links to tutorials. Not much in the documentation Any help?

:rotfl: it sounds that something happend what happend to me when I did a first try.

well important factors of carrier take offs for beginners

take the A6M1 (Zero) without any BOMBs , ''bombs will add weight to the plane and will pull you down into the water, you can take of with bombs but you its really tight space between you and the water when you will lift up''

also in IL2 1946 controls settings, its the matter of setting the Right key for the ''toggle chokes'' function , the chokes are the things that will stick the plane to deck untill you press it to release it so you can start to take off.

so here are some steps as a ZERO:

1. make sure your wings are NOT folded (you will find the key in the Control settings of IL2)
2.Start your engine and set flaps to Take off
3. go full throttle and release the chokes
4. keep your plane in a straight line with the rudder controls.
5. when leaving the deck , pull up gently! (if you pull up to hard your plane will stall and you can have a nice swim)
6. have fun.

About landings...well...lets not think about that , even I havent mastered the landings on a Carrier (succeeded : 1 failed (remember danlisa?:rotfl: ) : lost count )

[Dowly]

Rofl, I've had to land to a carrier while playing online a few times (you get the full scores for downing an enemy plane etc. only if you manage to land AFAIK). But trust me, you wouldn't have wanted to see the landings! :rotfl:I always come on too fast, quickly push my tail down so the hook gets the thingy, the plane bounces from the deck a few meters to the air and the rubber thingy stops the plane in ~4 meters of altitude and slams it in the deck. Poor pilot.:p

[danlisa]

OK got IL-2 1946 First thing I did was try to takeoff off a carrier.

How the hell? Trying to find good links to tutorials. Not much in the documentation Any help?
http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base:up:

This too - http://airwarfare.com/mediawiki-1.4.5/index.php?ti

[XabbaRus]

What is the best dgen replacement?

DCG or the Enjoyrs one?

[Dowly]

What is the best dgen replacement?

DCG or the Enjoyrs one?

Have only tried DCG and cant say nothing bad about it.

[Radtgaeb]

Really would like to buy IL2, but kinda worried. I picked up LockOn and was mortified by the lack of instruction and the complexity. Ick, not for me.

Is IL2 better?

[Dowly]

Really would like to buy IL2, but kinda worried. I picked up LockOn and was mortified by the lack of instruction and the complexity. Ick, not for me.

Is IL2 better?

Yes, much much much better. The Holy Grail of WWII flightsims. You wont be disappointed. :up:

[CCIP]

The Holy Grail of WWII flightsims.
Some people would argue that EAW still holds that title :p

That said, IL-2 is definitely the finest technologically-up-to-date WWII sim out there :)

[Dowly]

The Holy Grail of WWII flightsims.
Some people would argue that EAW still holds that title :p

That said, IL-2 is definitely the finest technologically-up-to-date WWII sim out there :)

EAW was a great game, but IMO IL2 does all that and even goes to much more detail. Tho, what I really liked in EAW was the westfront that is not in IL2. But then again, the Storm of War will fix that. ;)

[nikimcbee]

Dowly, do you like Pacific Fighters? I wish they ahd torpedo bombers in it, Like the Kate and the US torp planes.:hmm:

[Dowly]

Dowly, do you like Pacific Fighters? I wish they ahd torpedo bombers in it, Like the Kate and the US torp planes.:hmm:

One of my fav planes is the Zero, so yeh, I like it. Oh and there are Japanese bombers which you can arm with torpedos, not sure about US side. :hmm:

[Biggles]

The A-20 can be armed with a torpedo (might even be 2, I don't remember). There is others but none of them flyable.....

oh, and the Beaufighter can have torpedoes too!

[Radtgaeb]

Hey, what joystick you all recommend? I'm using a Saiteck ST290 with rudder control....it pretty much blows, it has a "boxy" type feel and the buttons feel like they're about to fall off. Any suggestions? looking into the Logitek Wingman 3. but I truly want rudder control, and I don't think that they have that...


Oh, any by the way...when I get IL2. Would you hard-nosed vets let a kid like me fly with ya?:88)

[HunterICX]

The A-20 can be armed with a torpedo (might even be 2, I don't remember). There is others but none of them flyable.....

oh, and the Beaufighter can have torpedoes too!


Drop down on the ground and give me 20!

the A-20 can only carry 1 Torpedo

the plane that can carry 2 torpedo's is the HE-111

@Radtgaeb:

I've a Logitech Force 3D pro
its got a rudder twist. (by twisting the stick left and right) I suppose that what you mean with rudder controls.

its an easy acces joystick, easy to install and easy to use for a starter.

the cheaper version is the Logitech 3D pro (its without the force feedback)
but its the same deal in functionality

most of use play Online with IL2 1946 4.08m on the UK dedicated servers, its a public so the youngers are welcome :arrgh!:

The UK dedicated have 3 servers

UKded1: Easy settings in case of Enemy spotting and the cockpit view can be changed into a guncam and externals on.

UKded2: Moderate settings Icons are limmited and you only see friendly icons when nearby, Cockpit view is locked but still externals are on

UKded3: Hard settings its IL2 at maximum realism

moslty I play on number 1 & 2.
most of us use the Subsim Nick online so we are easy to be found.

good luck

[joea]

Oh will like to join you guys online sometime too, I'll look for you.

[Dowly]

Why cant the BF109 sound like this in IL2?? :o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc

[Radtgaeb]

Just bought my copy from evil worldwide corperation (local walmart)!

Hope to see you old hawks after I'm fluent in both Messerschmidt and Sturmovik. :rotfl:

EDIT: I want to thank you all for your help. You are nothing like most of the schmucks over at the UBI forums. I thank you for at least giving me what appers to be a bit of crediblity and a hint of respect, despite my age. Yeah, I'm young, but I'm not 'immature' like most of the guys my age on the UBI forums.:up: I promise I'm not going to go all swearing all over the place becuase I think it's "TeH koolzorz!!!11", I like to view myself as more of a sophisticated person than that.:|\\ Most of all, I think it's just sheer ignorance rearing it's ugly head when someone is like that.
Buenos Suertes all, and happy hunting. Thanks once again. See you in the skies :cool:!

[Radtgaeb]

ARG!


I bought IL 1946 and it will not install! Do not do this to me again UBI! :nope:

Yes, I tried copying all the files to my harddrive and direct installing it, but that didn't work. I hope that it's only a bum Cab file...it happens....right?:-?

[HunterICX]

Mmm...

just a question
did you pick the DVD version?
or is it the CD rom version

to explain it

DVD version contains ALL you need to play 1946 on a single installation no need for the other IL2 games.

if you have the CD rom version, you must have IL2 FB+ACE+Pacific Fighters merged installed on the computer.

[Dowly]

If you have the DVD version and if the problem is that your DVD-drives wont recognise the disc, this might help:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/4391008415

[Radtgaeb]

Mmm...

just a question
did you pick the DVD version?
or is it the CD rom version

to explain it

DVD version contains ALL you need to play 1946 on a single installation no need for the other IL2 games.

if you have the CD rom version, you must have IL2 FB+ACE+Pacific Fighters merged installed on the computer.

It's the CD ROM version, they didn't have the DVD ROM (believe me I always choose DVD over CD if I have the choice). How is this done?

....Don't tell me I just bought an expansion, if that's so then it didn't say ANYTHING about my needing to have the originals.

[HunterICX]

Mmm...

just a question
did you pick the DVD version?
or is it the CD rom version

to explain it

DVD version contains ALL you need to play 1946 on a single installation no need for the other IL2 games.

if you have the CD rom version, you must have IL2 FB+ACE+Pacific Fighters merged installed on the computer.

It's the CD ROM version, they didn't have the DVD ROM (believe me I always choose DVD over CD if I have the choice). How is this done?

....Don't tell me I just bought an expansion, if that's so then it didn't say ANYTHING about my needing to have the originals.
:huh: Ow....darn mate

that CD rom is useless if you do not have the previous IL2 games. (to answer the question ''yes its the Expansion only''
I say , if you can return it, and order the DVD in the shop if possible or else buy online with the help of your parents (if you still live with them and dont own a credit card)

or maybe if there is an other shop in the area that does have IL2 1946 DVD,

the IL2 1946 DVD pack is the one you need.

good luck

[Tikigod]

The planes sound pretty good in Battle Over Britain 2: Wings of Victory not as good as in your video but, still far more realistic than IL2.

Various BoB2: Wings of Victory Engine Sounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZyYPd-jlPM

At 1:08 in this video you can hear what the flyby's sound like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5wZ-41GQHE

At 0:53 in this video more dopler flybys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCHk9CFgE-U


Why cant the BF109 sound like this in IL2?? :o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc

[Dowly]

The planes sound pretty good in Battle Over Britain 2: Wings of Victory not as good as in your video but, still far more realistic than IL2.

Various BoB2: Wings of Victory Engine Sounds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZyYPd-jlPM

At 1:08 in this video you can hear what the flyby's sound like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5wZ-41GQHE

At 0:53 in this video more dopler flybys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCHk9CFgE-U


Why cant the BF109 sound like this in IL2?? :o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5nj77mJlzrc

Dang, those sound very nice! *drool*

[Tikigod]

Here's another good video of sounds in BoB2

at 1:40 you can hear the dive brake of the stuka:

and at 3:56 and 7:08 you can hear more dogfight flybys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX249ZUbIak

[Radtgaeb]

hehe...pardon my insolence, but it was in fact DVD ROM.

but it still won't install. Installshield gives me an error about my data cab being corrupt. Error 1335, and none of the 'official' fixes appear to work.

[Radtgaeb]

Well, nevermind that previous post.

Remembering some initial install issues with SH3, I decided to pop the disks in my DVD burner tray and now they're installing like a gem. Computers are odd things, no? :roll:

See you in the skies!

Edit: Any of you all with 1946....is there supposed to be a F4 Corsair on the title screen? Did this just install PF or is Sturmovik on there too?

[Dowly]

Edit: Any of you all with 1946....is there supposed to be a F4 Corsair on the title screen? Did this just install PF or is Sturmovik on there too?

There should be lot of planes in the loading screen. B17, Corsair, the fat german jet, P-51 (IIRC).

[Radtgaeb]

Edit: Any of you all with 1946....is there supposed to be a F4 Corsair on the title screen? Did this just install PF or is Sturmovik on there too?
There should be lot of planes in the loading screen. B17, Corsair, the fat german jet, P-51 (IIRC).


*whew* Had me worried.

[HunterICX]

:rotfl: dont worry so much mate,

now go to http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/home.php?skin=S2

scroll down to

1946 4.08 Patch and Dedicated Server Released

and download 4.08m patch



so you will be able to fly online :up:

[Radtgaeb]

Hey guys. I'm having a bit of an issue with taking off.

In fact, I haven't even had a succesful takeoff yet...

My plane automatically starts swerving to the left and my wing snaps off before I can correct it.

I now have a logitech extreme 3d pro and have calibrated it (at least, I believe I have...) twice now...what's going on?

[Radtgaeb]

Ugh, I have a new found respect for WWII pilots.

I never thought keeping a plane stable would be so much work.


But it's fun! :up:

Edit: Hey, do any of you veterans mind giving a newbie like me some helpful stablity tips? I can't attack until I can keep my plane from veering off course like it does....all....the...TIME!

So yeah, tips would definately be a kind thing:D.

Trust me, for the longest time, things like Silent Hunter, Total War, Oblivion, and things of the sort have been my area...the only flight sim that I was ever proficient in was "Stunt Island" (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=Stunt+Island&gwp=13) That is to say, when I was fourteen (2004) I was mucking around with my father's old 486 and found this on the hard drive and couldn't put it down during summer break...ahh...the cheap-graphical movies I made....

[Tikigod]

All aircraft turn because of the spin of the prop. You have to gain enough speed to straighten out and stabilize the aircraft.

The following are things I do in most aircraft to get them airborne.

1. Apply full left rudder to counter the turning until you get up to speed.

2. Pump wheel brakes until you get up to speed. I usually apply brakes hard if it begins to turn too much. But, the key is to pump them lightly as you apply throttle just to keep it on track. So, when it begins to turn apply brake and hard rudder. As it straightens let off the brake. Repeat as necessary.

3. Don't throttle all at once from a dead stop. Throttling fast without any airflow will just make aircraft turn in place. Throttle slowly and gradually until you get up to speed. If you are in a hurry try the brake pumping method above as you apply more throttle. The harder the aircraft turns the more brake and rudder you will need to apply to counter it.

4. Some aircraft have a tail wheel you can lock. This helps to keep the tail straight until you get enough speed.

5. Some planes have WEP (War Emergency Power). This give the aircraft more boost for short periods when you need it. Each aircraft has an optimal altitude for WEP some are better at high altitudes while others are better at low altitudes. The Tempest has optimal thrust with WEP at lower altitudes (around sea level) So, if you are taking off with Tempest you can use WEP as a kick in the pants to get the plane to stabailze and off the ground faster. (Keep in mind WEP is engaged differently on aircraft. Some like the Tempest you will have to press "W" to engage it while other aircraft it turns on once throttle is pushed beyond a certain point. But, this is only when complex engine management is turned on in your difficulty settings.)

Hey guys. I'm having a bit of an issue with taking off.

In fact, I haven't even had a succesful takeoff yet...

My plane automatically starts swerving to the left and my wing snaps off before I can correct it.

I now have a logitech extreme 3d pro and have calibrated it (at least, I believe I have...) twice now...what's going on?

[Dowly]

5. Some planes have WEP (War Emergency Power). This give the aircraft more boost for short periods when you need it. Each aircraft has an optimal altitude for WEP some are better at high altitudes while others are better at low altitudes. The Tempest has optimal thrust with WEP at lower altitudes (around sea level) So, if you are taking off with Tempest you can use WEP as a kick in the pants to get the plane to stabailze and off the ground faster. (Keep in mind WEP is engaged differently on aircraft. Some like the Tempest you will have to press "W" to engage it while other aircraft it turns on once throttle is pushed beyond a certain point. But, this is only when complex engine management is turned on in your difficulty settings.)



WEP works with complex engine management setting turned off. ;)

Also, keep in mind. Like the name says, it is War Emergency Power, it heats up the engine quite a bit if used for long periods of time. And on some planes, you need to be VERY carefull with it as only a few second use can make your engine inoperable. :up:

[Tikigod]

Yes, but, I was refering to manual turn on of WEP when complex engine management is turned on.
WEP is in both Simple and Complex engine modes.
WEP in simple engine mode works with just throttle for ALL PLANES like afterburner in jet sims.
WEP in complex engine mode works with either pressing "W" to turn it on or pushing throttle past a certain point DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF PLANE you fly.

Example: Tempest with complex engine management:
Throttle pushed 100% no WEP.
Press "W" WEP turns on.

Tempest with simple engine management:
Throttle pushed 100% WEP turns on automatically.


WEP works with complex engine management setting turned off. ;)

[Radtgaeb]

Woah! thanks for the takeoff tips! :up:

now how about the matter of keeping the plane level. Is there a secret method or am I just going to have to practise my rear end off?

Also, do I need to know all of the complex engine controls eventually?

[Dowly]

@Tikigod

It depends of the plane. For example, with BF109 you need to press the W when you want to enable the WEP no matter the complex engine management setting. ;)

[Radtgaeb]

Alright guys, I'm considering throwing the towl in on this one...I just can't seem to get the hang of flight sims.

Its hard enough for me to just get off the ground, and half the time I just flip (no joke). I know that it's probably just my inexperience (I've only had IL2 since thursday) but I'm just afraid that I'm going to continue to suck at it...

[CCIP]

Ah come on, after a day? Give it a bit of time! Everyone can learn this in a few hours' trying (with the right guidance). These planes can be a little daunting to fly at first, but when you get it - you get it.

And be thankful you don't have complex electronics systems to deal with there. Took me months to actually learn Falcon 4.0 due to that; IL-2, at a functional level, takes only days I think :p

[Radtgaeb]

Yeah, I know...but it's just a bit trying. I'm pooped! :rotfl:

But hey, if you take away all the subsystems...the planes of LOMAC pretty much fly themselves. In IL2 one has to deal with planes of a bit more flimsey sort.

[Radtgaeb]

Hey, do you guys know of any good noob guides online or something. I love this game, but the training is lacking at best...and I'm having a very difficult time learning.

[Ubergeek87]

Hey, do you guys know of any good noob guides online or something. I love this game, but the training is lacking at best...and I'm having a very difficult time learning. There is a campaign that you can download over at www.mission4today.com (http://www.mission4today.com) called "Straight from the Farm." It will help you with takeoffs from land and carriers, landing on land and carriers, and a bit of divebombing. It is very well done. It won't really help with dogfights and formation flying, but it'll get you in the air and back to the ground in one piece.

Link! (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=2147)

[HunterICX]

Hey, do you guys know of any good noob guides online or something. I love this game, but the training is lacking at best...and I'm having a very difficult time learning.


Patience my friend, patience:up:

Take offs are not the hard part, its one of the easiest tasks to do actually.
best way for you to practice is launching a Multiplayer game

Multiplayer > Host Server> game type Dogfight and launch Dogfight map 1.
this map is flat as a pancake.

now pick a base and pick a plane.
if you die the game doesnt need a restart just press refly and do it again.
when your in the air just mess with the controls a bit to see how the flight model respond.

[danlisa]

Also, most planes in IL2 require some/alot of trimming to obtain straight & level flight. It's easy enough to do but for some reason it takes an age for the plane/trim to take effect.

This might help you - IL2 Community Manual - http://www.airwarfare.com/mediawiki-1.4.5/index.php?title=Main_Page

[Radtgaeb]

Hey, do you guys know of any good noob guides online or something. I love this game, but the training is lacking at best...and I'm having a very difficult time learning. There is a campaign that you can download over at www.mission4today.com (http://www.mission4today.com) called "Straight from the Farm." It will help you with takeoffs from land and carriers, landing on land and carriers, and a bit of divebombing. It is very well done. It won't really help with dogfights and formation flying, but it'll get you in the air and back to the ground in one piece.

Link! (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=2147)

Thanks, Geek! This really helps with my landings and takeoffs.

[Radtgaeb]

Hey guys, thanks to your helpful tips/links and my own patience, I've actually managed to become not so inept at maintaining level flight and taking off in all situations....on the other hand, my formation flying still truly blows :down:, but I'm working on it. Thanks for the help!

[XabbaRus]

I have several campaigns on going at the moment. I flit from one to the other as the fancy takes me.

I am using the Enjoyr patch thing but without DCG for now.
A good campaign to get is a new one based in the Black Sea flying the LaGG 3.

It is good as there is lots of immediate action and you don't have to fly too far.

Also get the Flying Tigers campaign from mission4today. A P-40 againts Zeros tests your skill. You do well if you survive.

Actually I need someone to explain to me succinctly how I get enjoyr to work well with DCG. I have DCG but I am not using the dgen replacement mode. I have downloaded enjoyr's patch version 2.22 and the one for if using dgen.

I assume I install enjoyr patch 2.22 then the patch for use with DCG and then switch DCG to dgen replacement mode?

[Radtgaeb]

Ok! Takeoffs are looking good now.

The only thing remaining is level flight/squadren flying. Any tips on these?

Also, What is a good way to find 'true level' in an aircraft with no artificial horizon (ie. a biplane or early ME109).

[STEED]

What keys do you use for IL2 screen shots and where do I find the pictures?

[Radtgaeb]

Not to be pushy, but is there an answer to my previous question? How is one to find true level when in a bi-plane/plane without Artificial Horizon.

And, what is normal cruising speed for formation flying, because That is what I keep messing up. :damn:

[Dowly]

Not to be pushy, but is there an answer to my previous question? How is one to find true level when in a bi-plane/plane without Artificial Horizon.
If you fly with locked cockpit, then you have to keep on guessing. The horizontal movement is easy to spot if you keep your eyes on a landmark ahead of you and see if it moves left or right.

If you use the "Guncam" view (CTRL+F1), there's the AH in the lower right corner.


And, what is normal cruising speed for formation flying, because That is what I keep messing up. :damn:
It varies between the planes. The faster the plane, the lower percentage of power they use when cruising. For example, few weeks back I flew in a formation of Bf109's with AI leader. I had my power at ~50-65% and that seemed right.

Also, it varies by mission. On some missions the planes have been ordered to fly at full speed, in some missions slower than usual etc.

Hope this helps! :up:

[STEED]

What keys do you use for IL2 screen shots and where do I find the pictures?

I repeat myself

What keys do you use for IL2 screen shots and where do I find the pictures?

I want an answer!!!

[XabbaRus]

PrintScreen

[ReallyDedPoet]

I need to get back into this game.

RDP

[STEED]

PrintScreen

I know about that one, but the catch is you can only do one at a time.

If that is the only way then. :damn:

[Dowly]

PrintScreen
I know about that one, but the catch is you can only do one at a time.

If that is the only way then. :damn:

Just D/L FRAPS and use it to take the pics.

[STEED]

Just D/L FRAPS and use it to take the pics.

I know about fraps it a free trail version which runs for a period of time before you have to buy it or not.

[Dowly]

Just D/L FRAPS and use it to take the pics.
I know about fraps it a free trail version which runs for a period of time before you have to buy it or not.

Not sure if there's a time limit on the demo. But you cant record more than 30sec of video at time etc. I think you are limited to .bmp pic format on the demo.

[STEED]

Just D/L FRAPS and use it to take the pics.
I know about fraps it a free trail version which runs for a period of time before you have to buy it or not.

Not sure if there's a time limit on the demo. But you cant record more than 30sec of video at time etc. I think you are limited to .bmp pic format on the demo.

So it's not like you got 30 days and thats your lot thing, you got it as long as you want but has limited functions. :hmm:

I will give it a try out, thanks Dowly. :up:

[Dowly]

Just D/L FRAPS and use it to take the pics.
I know about fraps it a free trail version which runs for a period of time before you have to buy it or not.
Not sure if there's a time limit on the demo. But you cant record more than 30sec of video at time etc. I think you are limited to .bmp pic format on the demo.
So it's not like you got 30 days and thats your lot thing, you got it as long as you want but has limited functions. :hmm:

I will give it a try out, thanks Dowly. :up:

Like I said, I'm not sure. Give it a try and find out. ;)

[Lagger123987]

Wait till you try and land on a carrier.

NO FUN AT ALL, I KEEP DIEING ON CARRIER LANDING.

[STEED]

One thing I like in IL2 is the crazy voices more so the Russians.

Ol No what you doing..........No.................Good kill.............

Funny, one moment they throw the book at you and the next they praise you to the Sky's. :rotfl:

[HunterICX]

One thing I like in IL2 is the crazy voices more so the Russians.

Ol No what you doing..........No.................Good kill.............

Funny, one moment they throw the book at you and the next they praise you to the Sky's. :rotfl:

Pfff...wait till you hear the Japanese (IJN) radio
it adds a smile and a laughter on your face while flying.

[Radtgaeb]

Ok, seriously...

What the frick? Why do I suck so much? I've been practicing for several weeks now, and I still sometimes roll off the side into the drink when taking off carriers.

Oh, and forget formation flying. I downloaded the exquisite "Legion Kondor" which I'm sure would be awesome if I could only get formation flying down pat. Ack, if anyone was thinking of creating a tutorial sometime soon, be sure to throw in formation flight.

Maybe I'll skee-daddle over to the server and see if one of you can give me some in-flight pointers.

[Chock]

You don't suck, you just need practice, and to bear in mind that in some ways flying an aircraft on a PC sim is harder than the real thing.

You do not have half the feedback you get when flying the real thing on a PC for one thing, and you have no peripheral vision to help you in formation flying, you also cannot 'feel' the aircraft through the stick resistance and through your ass, so it's much harder to see when you are on the ragged edge in a sim.

This is one of the reasons why Track-IR is such a plus, as it it a big compensation for the lack of peripheral vision. Force feedback can help a little with the pre-stall buffet too, but most sims don't model this particularly well, so FF is of limited use

The trick to formation flying is the same as most tricks where aeroplanes are concerned (the trick being, there is no trick). What I mean by this is that the most important thing is to ease up on the stick, and let the aeroplane do what it wants to do to some degree. When you see war movies where some guy is learning to fly and you hear the instructor telling the guy under instruction to 'ease up on the stick', that's because this is one of THE most common mistakes when learning to fly for real, and it's also true in sims!

The next thing to bear in mind with formation flying is that your aeroplane has a lot of inertia, which means you have to think ahead for it a little bit, make small throttle adjustments and ease into position, but bear in mind on realistic settings that you will have to adjust the mixture on the engine as you climb (i.e. you must lean off the mixture as you climb to prevent too much fuel going into the engine as the air gets thinner while you climb, otherwise you'll not develop enough power). The upshot of this is that since your formation will probably be climbing en route to its target, you'll probably not get away with one throttle setting to stay in formation, even though they are maintaining the same speed. In real life when flying in formation, you can anticipate the movements of the aircraft you are staying with by watching his control surfaces, as they tend to move and take a while to actually have an effect on the aircraft, so that's another case where the real thing is easier.

Next big thing in formation flying is a reference point, what you need to do is stick your aeroplane on autopilot for a minute or two and let the A/P fly you into your formation slot, when you are in position, note where the nearest aicraft is, and note a spot on your aircraft's canopy which lines up with something prominent on the nearest aircraft. This is your reference point, knowing this you should be able to disregard all the other planes and just fly by using small stick movements and throttle adjustments to keep that bit of the nearest plane in line with that bit you picked on your canopy. Learn the reference point for another aircraft too when you've got that one sussed out, that way, you will be able to look around and stay in position, and this is also useful in case someone in your flight gets shot down.

If you drive a car, you can emulate this trick on a good clear stretch of road: if you look at the line at the edge of the road and note it's position as you drive along, you'll find that it is possible to keep your car straight by maintaining this line at a constant distance (don't try this with other traffic about, or you'll bloody kill yourself, or someone else! but it will illustrate the formation flying technique to you). The standing joke with this technique in real life is: If your flight leader flies into the ground, if everyone is doing their job properly, there should be three holes in the ground alongside his!

A slightly more advanced technique for formation flying is to line two aircraft up in your flight and keep one hidden behind the other, if you do that, you know that you will be in echelon formation with the other two aircraft.

With all these techniques, do not fall into the trap the RAF fell into in 1940, i.e spending too much time concentrating on the formation and not enough time looking for bad guys! for this reason, you would be better off learning formation flying in a Messerschmitt 109 or a Focke Wulf 190, as these aircraft are likely to be using the 'schwarme' formation, which has formations positions with less proximity to one another, this will ease you into the skill and still allow you to search the skies.

Rolling on take off is generally caused (in real life) by having a lot of rudder on at the point you lift off while you are slow (this is a big no-no in real life) as it can cause two problems. The first problem is that the big slab side of your aeroplane will block off the airflow to the wing on the inside of your yaw, as your aircraft skids along. When at low speeds, this means you are just above stalling speed with one of your wings getting a big portion of its airflow blocked off, consequently, the wing with a full clear airflow picks up, while the wing with the reduced airflow will be getting less lift and a disturbed airflow from the untidy air coming off the fuselage. Result, you roll.

Another cause for roll (not always simulated in flight sims) is adverse yaw, this is a problem more likely in larger aircraft with long wingspans, where the affect can be quite noticeable. Adverse yaw is caused by the increased lift of the ailerons on one side as you move the stick to the side. What happens is that as the up-coming wing creates more lift, it also creates more aerodynamic drag, which slows it down and yaws the aircraft in the direction opposite to the one you are intending to go with your roll. I would think this is unlikely to be your problem, but it's as well to be aware of the phenomenon, as some simulators do actually model this. Technically, the Messerschmitt bf 109 should suffer from this quite a bit at low speeds, as it had automatic Handley-Page slats fitted (which made it a notoriously crappy gun platform at low speeds in a turning fight), but I've not noticed this being simulated in IL2 to any great degree.

a third possibility for your carrier take off death roll may be engine torque. WW2 fighters typically developed anything between 1000 and 2500 horsepower. that's a lot of ponies. what happens is that as the thrust comes back off your propeller, it spirals down your fuselage ina big corkscrew pattern, which means that when it gets to your vertical stabiliser and rudder, it's pushing on one side of the tail and forcing you into a turn. As it does this, the wing on the outside of the turn is effectively travelling faster than the wing on the inside of the turn (think of the inside and outside lanes of a racetrack as a comparison to illustrate this). Since one wing is effectively going faster than the other, it will develop more lift, and as a consequence, you will roll in the direction you are turning. To compensate for this, you need to use rudder in order to keep you straight, but you must remember that as you speed up, your control surfaces become more effective (since air is passing across them faster), so, you must ease off on your correction as you pick up speed. Most WW2 fighter rudders were not actually symmetrical in order to counter this effect a little bit (most notably the bf 109, which had a tendency to go into a vicious swing on take off).

To help you get your head round all this, it;s worth trying a few aerobatics to get you used to how your warplane of preference handles, although you should bear in mind that fancy flying never shot anyone down, only being a sneaky b*st*rd and a good shot can do that. Anyway, with that in mind, here is something to try...

In real life, full deflections of the rudder at high speed are very dangerous, and many modern airliners have limiters to prevent this from being done by accident. This is because with so much force acting on the vertical stabiliser with a full rudder deflection at high speed, it is possible to overstress the vertical stabiliser and actually break the entire structure off. Tragically, this actually happened a few years ago, when an inexperienced American Airlines pilot did this while approaching New York, he ripped the vertical stabiliser off the airliner and crashed, killing everyone on board as a result. Nevertheless, aircraft built for fighting are usually tough enough to take some of this kind of abuse, and in a combat situation, applying a full rudder deflection at high speed might actually save your ass, as it will often instigate a 'flick' manoeuver, where you yaw the aircraft so rapidly, and cause such a difference in lift between the port and starboard wings that you force a 'snap roll'. Not all simulators emulate this well, but it works in IL2 if you do it right, and it surprises the hell out of someone on your tail! Not that you should let someone get on your tail anyway, but there you go.

As with everything, practise makes perfect, but actually understanding what is happening should put you on the right track fairly quickly. Remember, you do NOT suck. NOBODY was a brilliant flyer on their first flight, and anyone who says they were is a goddam liar. And it took me 7 hours and 15 minutes of instruction in real life before I went solo, despite my instructor saying that I was 'a natural', so that proves it.

:D Chock

[Radtgaeb]

You don't suck, you just need practice, and to bear in mind that in some ways flying an aircraft on a PC sim is harder than the real thing.

You do not have half the feedback you get when flying the real thing on a PC for one thing, and you have no peripheral vision to help you in formation flying, you also cannot 'feel' the aircraft through the stick resistance and through your ass, so it's much harder to see when you are on the ragged edge in a sim.

This is one of the reasons why Track-IR is such a plus, as it it a big compensation for the lack of peripheral vision. Force feedback can help a little with the pre-stall buffet too, but most sims don't model this particularly well, so FF is of limited use

The trick to formation flying is the same as most tricks where aeroplanes are concerned (the trick being, there is no trick). What I mean by this is that the most important thing is to ease up on the stick, and let the aeroplane do what it wants to do to some degree. When you see war movies where some guy is learning to fly and you hear the instructor telling the guy under instruction to 'ease up on the stick', that's because this is one of THE most common mistakes when learning to fly for real, and it's also true in sims!

The next thing to bear in mind with formation flying is that your aeroplane has a lot of inertia, which means you have to think ahead for it a little bit, make small throttle adjustments and ease into position, but bear in mind on realistic settings that you will have to adjust the mixture on the engine as you climb (i.e. you must lean off the mixture as you climb to prevent too much fuel going into the engine as the air gets thinner while you climb, otherwise you'll not develop enough power). The upshot of this is that since your formation will probably be climbing en route to its target, you'll probably not get away with one throttle setting to stay in formation, even though they are maintaining the same speed. In real life when flying in formation, you can anticipate the movements of the aircraft you are staying with by watching his control surfaces, as they tend to move and take a while to actually have an effect on the aircraft, so that's another case where the real thing is easier.

Next big thing in formation flying is a reference point, what you need to do is stick your aeroplane on autopilot for a minute or two and let the A/P fly you into your formation slot, when you are in position, note where the nearest aicraft is, and note a spot on your aircraft's canopy which lines up with something prominent on the nearest aircraft. This is your reference point, knowing this you should be able to disregard all the other planes and just fly by using small stick movements and throttle adjustments to keep that bit of the nearest plane in line with that bit you picked on your canopy. Learn the reference point for another aircraft too when you've got that one sussed out, that way, you will be able to look around and stay in position, and this is also useful in case someone in your flight gets shot down.

If you drive a car, you can emulate this trick on a good clear stretch of road: if you look at the line at the edge of the road and note it's position as you drive along, you'll find that it is possible to keep your car straight by maintaining this line at a constant distance (don't try this with other traffic about, or you'll bloody kill yourself, or someone else! but it will illustrate the formation flying technique to you). The standing joke with this technique in real life is: If your flight leader flies into the ground, if everyone is doing their job properly, there should be three holes in the ground alongside his!

A slightly more advanced technique for formation flying is to line two aircraft up in your flight and keep one hidden behind the other, if you do that, you know that you will be in echelon formation with the other two aircraft.

With all these techniques, do not fall into the trap the RAF fell into in 1940, i.e spending too much time concentrating on the formation and not enough time looking for bad guys! for this reason, you would be better off learning formation flying in a Messerschmitt 109 or a Focke Wulf 190, as these aircraft are likely to be using the 'schwarme' formation, which has formations positions with less proximity to one another, this will ease you into the skill and still allow you to search the skies.

Rolling on take off is generally caused (in real life) by having a lot of rudder on at the point you lift off while you are slow (this is a big no-no in real life) as it can cause two problems. The first problem is that the big slab side of your aeroplane will block off the airflow to the wing on the inside of your yaw, as your aircraft skids along. When at low speeds, this means you are just above stalling speed with one of your wings getting a big portion of its airflow blocked off, consequently, the wing with a full clear airflow picks up, while the wing with the reduced airflow will be getting less lift and a disturbed airflow from the untidy air coming off the fuselage. Result, you roll.

Another cause for roll (not always simulated in flight sims) is adverse yaw, this is a problem more likely in larger aircraft with long wingspans, where the affect can be quite noticeable. Adverse yaw is caused by the increased lift of the ailerons on one side as you move the stick to the side. What happens is that as the up-coming wing creates more lift, it also creates more aerodynamic drag, which slows it down and yaws the aircraft in the direction opposite to the one you are intending to go with your roll. I would think this is unlikely to be your problem, but it's as well to be aware of the phenomenon, as some simulators do actually model this. Technically, the Messerschmitt bf 109 should suffer from this quite a bit at low speeds, as it had automatic Handley-Page slats fitted (which made it a notoriously crappy gun platform at low speeds in a turning fight), but I've not noticed this being simulated in IL2 to any great degree.

a third possibility for your carrier take off death roll may be engine torque. WW2 fighters typically developed anything between 1000 and 2500 horsepower. that's a lot of ponies. what happens is that as the thrust comes back off your propeller, it spirals down your fuselage ina big corkscrew pattern, which means that when it gets to your vertical stabiliser and rudder, it's pushing on one side of the tail and forcing you into a turn. As it does this, the wing on the outside of the turn is effectively travelling faster than the wing on the inside of the turn (think of the inside and outside lanes of a racetrack as a comparison to illustrate this). Since one wing is effectively going faster than the other, it will develop more lift, and as a consequence, you will roll in the direction you are turning. To compensate for this, you need to use rudder in order to keep you straight, but you must remember that as you speed up, your control surfaces become more effective (since air is passing across them faster), so, you must ease off on your correction as you pick up speed. Most WW2 fighter rudders were not actually symmetrical in order to counter this effect a little bit (most notably the bf 109, which had a tendency to go into a vicious swing on take off).

As with everything, practise makes perfect, but actually understanding what is happenning should put you on the right track fairly quickly. Remember, you do NOT suck. NOBODY was a brilliant flyer on their first flight, and anyone who says they were is a goddam liar. And it took me 7 hours and 15 minutes of instruction in real life before I went solo, despite my instructor saying that I was 'a natural', so that proves it.

:D Chock

Thanks Chock! I'm actually printing this out so I'll have it at my desk while flying. And to think..I was honestly thinking of uninstalling this beautiful sim! :oops:

[HunterICX]

Also you have to know the plane itself in IL2,

like in category's and best situation.

the ME 109 (aka BF109)
is one of the best all round planes
the only downside is that its crappy behaviour on low speeds is fatal in a dogfight. so you have to maintain its high speed and try to take the enemy out by striking on him rather that try to fly on his six all the time and making too much turns which will highly reduce your speed.

Bi planes on the other hand, like the I-153 or the J8a and some others in IL2 are damn good dogfighters on low speeds and altitude.
no other plane can turn as fast as they can but your weakness is you cannot fly fast , you are easily shot to pieces when they have you in their gunsight.
but if you are playing it smart and a enemy fighter is engangine you try to evade his striking move quikly turn 180º right behind him and give him a good shot. als lure him to low altitudes as they sure will try to follow you and in that situation you have the upper hand.

also you got plane that you think are crap. when I first flew the TA-152 I thought...really how did the germans came up with this flying scrapmetal.
but when I red about it in my plane recognition manual (book) It stated this plane was used for high altitudes only. so I launched a quik mission with some B17's and P51 mustangs aroun 41,000 feet (13,000 meters) I noticed a big difference and creditted myself with 3 B17's and 1 P51 mustang before I ran out of ammo.

you also got the 2 engine fighters like the BF110, Beaufighter and the P38 that require a different type of tactic in taking out enemy planes.
these planes turn like fat cows so outturning a IJN ZERO for example is out of records. these planes need the Strike tactic . you have to track a fighter from above about his 6 O'clock. when you are close dive upon him keep your gunsight slighty in front when you are close like less then less the 1000 meters distance (with icons turned on 1.0 and below) wait till you have a good silhoute and you think its time to blaze hell upon him. I tried tis tactic multiple time and they prove to be very deadly for the enemy as 1 short burst of the heavy armament the P38 (which I used) straight upon the enemy turned the A6M2 zero into a flames and without 1 of its wings.

about gunnery in a level bomber like the HE111, B25 and JU88
you have to level your plane by using the level stabilizer (asign a key in the Control settings) and here is a very good instruction page of onboard guns of the B25
http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=240&page=5 (http://mission4today.com/index.php?name=Knowledge_Base&op=show&kid=240&page=5)

:up: hope this helps

[Chock]

I've not really flown the bombers much in IL2 1946, but I was having a bash at it last night with a Luftwaffe career (cos I love the He-111).

One problem I came across was that it didn't seem to want to let me start my engines (this is despite the fact that I've mapped all the engine select switches and magnetos in the sim). I got around this by switching the autopilot on, to let the sim start the engines, then switched it off in order to take off and fly the rest of the mission.

However, a problem arose which ended up with me having to force land on the way back. I was messing around with the mixture to see how much I needed to back it off at bombing altitude, and of course during my investigations I cut it back too far, causing the engines to stop at about 14,000 feet. I assumed, as you would in real life, that simply letting the airflow turn the props and messing with the mixture woulod enable me to restart the engines, but no dice, they refused to crank up (even the autopilot wouldn't do it for me). So I had no choice but to belly land the thing on our side of the lines, unfortunately, Feldwebel Chock's bombing career came to an abrupt end as he was captured anyway, which was a bummer, as I absolutely creamed the target (a bridge).

See some screenshots of this on the screenshot thread.

So, my question is, how the feck do I start the engines on the He-111?

[HunterICX]

@chock:

I suppose you are using the complex engine management.
if so

you need to asign the keys for LEFT and RIGHT engines so you can start them on at a time mate with ofcourse the Ignition button :up:

[Chock]

Yeah, as I said, I have all the keys mapped for selecting engines and all that malarkey, they just simply refused to restart, but they also wouldn't start on the ground, so is this a bug or what?! I never have a problem with any other engines, and I do a lot of selecting individual engines and altering mixtures etc in this and other sims, so it's not like I don't know what I'm doing (or at least as far as I know). This is a real puzzler.

:D Chock

[Radtgaeb]

What a damn shame, I haven't fired this game up in a month....I need to get back to practice. I stopped out of being a bit disheartened, but it's time for me to get into the air again....:yep: